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To: SevenofNine
Come think of it AD I don't think our American founding fathers knew what abortion was

I know Jefferson did. He noted that native americans that were having a hard time surviving practiced it.

10 posted on 10/15/2006 7:11:36 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62
I know Jefferson did. He noted that native americans that were having a hard time surviving practiced it.

Please show a link or citation supporting this. Thanks

21 posted on 10/15/2006 7:33:33 PM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: Moonman62; perfect stranger; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
In the Notes Jefferson dwells on the American Indian's apparent ability to prevent pregnancy or to induce abortion, noting that the Indians had few children

In 1782 Thomas Jefferson published “Notes on the State of Virginia” In it he discusses the American Indian's apparent ability to prevent pregnancy or to induce abortion, noting that in difficult circumstances the Indians had few children.

It’s important to note that Jefferson does not mention in this writing his own opinion on abortion.

The link below is to the entire text. The easiest way to get to the specific passage is do a search on the word “abortion”.

http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=JefVirg.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=all

And here is the text (in context):


It is civilization alone which replaces women in the
enjoyment of their natural equality. That first teaches us to subdue the selfish passions, and to respect those rights in others which we value in ourselves. Were we in equal barbarism, our females would be equal drudges. The man with them is less strong than with us, but their woman stronger than ours; and both for the same obvious reason; because our man and their woman is habituated to labour, and formed by it. With both races the sex which is indulged with ease is least athletic. An Indian man is small in the hand and wrist for the same reason for which a sailor is large and strong in the arms and shoulders, and a porter in the legs and thighs. -- They raise fewer children than we do. The causes of this are to be found, not in a difference of nature, but of circumstance. The women very frequently attending the men in their parties of war and of hunting, child-bearing becomes extremely inconvenient to them. It is said, therefore, that they have learnt the practice of procuring abortion by the use of some vegetable; and that it even extends to prevent conception for a considerable time after. During these parties they are exposed to numerous hazards, to excessive exertions, to the greatest extremities of hunger. Even at their homes the nation depends for food, through a certain part of every year, on the gleanings of the forest: that is, they experience a famine once in every year. With all animals, if the female be badly fed, or not fed at all, her young perish: and if both male and female be reduced to like want, generation becomes less active, less productive. To the obstacles then of want and hazard, which nature has opposed to the multiplication of wild animals, for the purpose of restraining their numbers within certain bounds, those of labour and of voluntary abortion are added with the Indian. No wonder then if they multiply less than we do. Where food is regularly supplied, a single farm will shew more of cattle, than a whole country of forests can of buffaloes. The same Indian women, when married to white traders, who feed them and their children plentifully and regularly, who exempt them from excessive drudgery, who keep them stationary and unexposed to accident, produce and raise as many children as the white women. Instances are known, under these circumstances, of their rearing a dozen children. An inhuman practice once prevailed in this country of making slaves of the Indians. It is a fact well known with us, that the Indian women so enslaved produced and raised as numerous families as either the whites or blacks among whom they lived.
65 posted on 10/15/2006 10:23:02 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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