[tsmith130]

Well they did, let's be honest about it.

I think the point being made by Danielle is that had President Bush not called them the 'Axis of Evil', these two countries would still be doing everything they are now doing. Of course, that can't be proven but her point about North Korea developing their nuclear capability and not participating in talks was done in the 90's. It's a good bet we'd be where we are today had he not called them the Axis of Evil.

[Non-Sequitur]

I think the point being made by Danielle is that had President Bush not called them the 'Axis of Evil', these two countries would still be doing everything they are now doing.

OK, they're Axis of Evil founding members and are doing what the President said we would not sit still for them doing. And that is better how?