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Iraqis call for five-man junta to end the anarchy
The Sunday Times ^ | October 15, 2006 | Marie Colvin

Posted on 10/15/2006 1:47:36 AM PDT by MadIvan

IRAQ’S fragile democracy, weakened by mounting chaos and a rapidly rising death toll, is being challenged by calls for the formation of a hardline “government of national salvation”.

The proposal, which is being widely discussed in political and intelligence circles in Baghdad, is to replace the Shi’ite-led government of Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, with a regime capable of imposing order and confronting the sectarian militias leading the country to the brink of civil war. Dr Saleh al-Mutlak, a prominent Sunni politician, travelled to Arab capitals last week seeking support for the replacement of the present government with a group of five strongmen who would impose martial law and either dissolve parliament or halt its participation in day-to-day government.

Other Iraqis dismissed the idea that a unilateral change in the leadership would be desirable or even possible. “The only person who can undertake a coup in Iraq now is General George Casey (the US commander) and I don’t think the Americans are inclined to go in that direction,” said Ahmed Chalabi, head of a rival political party.

Any suspension of the democratic process would be regarded as a severe blow to American and British policy.

The establishment of democracy has been its cornerstone and successful elections in December last year were hailed as a cause for optimism. However, Anthony Cordesman, an influential expert on Iraq at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said there was a “very real possibility” that Maliki could be toppled in the coming months.

“Nobody in Iraq has the military power to mount a traditional coup, but there could be a change in government, done in a backroom, which could see a general brought in to run the ministry of defence or the interior,” Cordesman said.

“It could be regarded as a more legitimate government than the present one as long it doesn’t favour one faction.”

This weekend Mutlak, who leads the Iraqi National Dialogue Front, the fifth largest political group in the national assembly, vowed to press ahead with his plans.. “We think Iraq is now in a tragic state,” he said.

“Maliki must step down. He has done nothing up to now. Hundreds of Iraqis are being killed almost daily and thousands are being removed from their homes in sectarian purges, and he takes no action.”

The main focus of a new regime, Mutlak said, would be to bring security back to Iraq by “cleaning out” the ministries of defence and the interior, widely seen as having been infiltrated by sectarian militias. He said he had the support of four other parties including al-Fadila, a Shi’ite party based in Basra.

Mutlak’s proposal is evidence of increasing frustration with Maliki who has failed to stop violence and to revive the economy.

Last week Iraqi officials estimated that up to 100 people, mostly civilians, were being murdered every day.

Yesterday’s grim reports included the discovery of seven headless bodies north of Baghdad. They were among 17 Shi’ite construction workers kidnapped last Thursday, apparently in retaliation for the burning of three Sunnis the previous day.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: democracy; iraq; junta
I think the best plan is to chop Iraq up and give the Kurds their own independent nation.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 10/15/2006 1:47:38 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Texican; Watery Tart; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/15/2006 1:48:15 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

You're not the only one who thinks that, certainly. Sounds like events are going to overtake events yet again. Kim Jong Il is probably pleased if he's reading the papers.


3 posted on 10/15/2006 1:57:19 AM PDT by dr_who_2
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Then Turkey will go to war and the BS will spread even wider.

In hindsight, disbanding the army was the wrong thing to do. Unfortunately, nothing can be done about that now.

I think we need a Sunni/Shia/Kurd trifecta leadership. If they are hardass strongment like Saddam, so be it. If things don't start to improve there by years end, all is lost.


4 posted on 10/15/2006 1:57:41 AM PDT by oolatec
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To: MadIvan

Maliki! Stop us from killing each other! Right.


5 posted on 10/15/2006 2:00:54 AM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: MadIvan
I think the best plan is to chop Iraq up and give the Kurds their own independent nation.
It has its advantages. Presumably one would be a permanent US base in the new Kurdish state.

But it has a lot of problems. Sunnis get no oil. Iran gets a client state.

But still, it has its advantages.

6 posted on 10/15/2006 2:25:44 AM PDT by samtheman (The Democrats are Instituting their own Guest Voter Program.)
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To: oolatec
>> "In hindsight, disbanding the army was the wrong thing to do." <<

I don't think that is a valid conclusion.

The current army, built new from the ground up, is the only relatively stable part of Iraq. It is consistently becoming better and more effective.

Compare that to the police units, which have been so compromised by militant factions, that many civilians just do not trust them. The old army was run by Sunnis faithful to Sadam. If they had been left in place, they would have been worse than the current police units.

Also, the Army, to a large degree self-disbanded. A great deal of it just left and melted into the general population.
7 posted on 10/15/2006 2:26:15 AM PDT by sd-joe
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To: MadIvan

That will assure an open, declared ciivil war and the involvement of Turkey and Iran.... A bad idea that doesn't improve with time or discussion.


8 posted on 10/15/2006 2:53:44 AM PDT by middie
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To: MadIvan
I think the best plan is to chop Iraq up and give the Kurds their own independent nation.

Looking just at the situation with the Kurds in the event the country breaks up, the conventional wisdom is Turkey would not stand for it. I wonder. Would Turkey want to go through what the Russians did in Afghanistan? And a Turkish takeover of the Kurdish region, which would be extremely bloody, might ruin their chances of joining the EU.

9 posted on 10/15/2006 3:17:21 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: MadIvan

Anyone ever consider that maybe, just maybe, the best thing to do is what we are doing? Just keep folks like AQ out and when the Iraqis get tired of killing each other they will settle down. It is a tragedy, but any other path may lead to far more blood shed.


10 posted on 10/15/2006 3:35:38 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: oolatec
I think we need a Sunni/Shia/Kurd trifecta leadership.

Well,there's no doubt that WE need that.

Do you realize how absurd that is? WE need the enemy to do something that gets OUR ass out of a sling,which something is absolutely without precedent and has zero chance of actually happening?

We could have killed Saddam and gotten out. We could have conquered Iraq, and all of Arabia for that matter, and they could already be on the path to civilization with American governors, teachers, and missionaries.

But, NO - we had to put 140 000 troops among a hostile enemy population and then LEAVE SUCCESS OR FAILURE UP TO THE ENEMY.

Absurd.

11 posted on 10/15/2006 3:45:12 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Some moron brought a cougar to a party, and it went berserk.)
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To: Jim Noble

RELEASE SADDAM!!!

Democrats seem to think that Capturing Saddam was the wrong thing to do. The administration should just come out with a statement saying that Democrats seem to feel that Iraq or terrorism was never a problem, so we are releasing Saddam on his "promise" that he will not rise up again.

This will send the left over the edge.


12 posted on 10/15/2006 3:58:03 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Murtha is even cutting and running from a debate.)
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To: MadIvan
This weekend Mutlak, who leads the Iraqi National Dialogue Front, the fifth largest political group in the national assembly

Of course what the article didn't mention is that this guy Mutlak has a group of about a dozen members in parliament (out of 270). He is widely regarded as a left-over from the old Saddam regime. So by saying 'cleaning the ministries' he means re-packing them with the old henchmen. How is it possible for an elected man to effectively demand termination of democracy in Iraq? It just shows the nature of the man.
13 posted on 10/15/2006 9:43:36 AM PDT by Mr_Tiki
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The fact is that Saddam was a secularist, with two thug children who enjoyed whores and alcohol.

They did not want a caliphate, or sharia law imposed on everyone else.

Sadly, Arabs can only be controlled by someone like Saddam.

We should have left him alone, and focused on the Islamist threat.


14 posted on 10/15/2006 9:47:06 AM PDT by ivy (Ivy's ex bf)
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To: MadIvan
Another rabid Know Nothing wetdream pretending to be a serious new story. Gee what did the good Doc do under Saddam's regime? Of course the mass murders want themselves put back in charge! Simply amazing how arrogant the Know Nothings are. Unwilling to actual learn fact one about the ground situation in Iraq they mindlessly cling to their pre 09-11-01 mindset. Hate to burst your bubble but this is utter lunacy with NO possibility of ever being policy. It is utterly at odds with the facts on the ground in Iraq.

But that right, DON'T try to teach the Dino-Cons reality. They were rather be extinct then ever have to evolve.

All but 2 of the 18 Iraqi provinces are in some stage of Iraqi control, Iraqi Security forces are doing the bulk of the fighting. US and Iraqi Military casualties will be LOWER this year then the year before or the year before.

Intra gang violence, which is what all this noise is about, cannot challenge the Iraqi Govts grip on their society. It is noise, not a serious threat.

Maybe the Dino-Cons MIGHT try to learn some facts about Iraq FINALLY rather then cling to their Know Nothing dogma to avoid having to admit they have been all wrong about Iraq since day one.
15 posted on 10/15/2006 10:12:26 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (EeevilCon, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Gun Owning Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: ivy
The fact is that Saddam was a secularist

Factually incorrect and irrelevant. Saddam "secret police" and intelligence services had extensive contact with Islamic terrorists groups including Al Qeda. But that right, don't bother the Dinocons with reality.

16 posted on 10/15/2006 10:14:05 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (EeevilCon, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Gun Owning Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: Jim Noble
But, NO - we had to put 140 000 troops among a hostile enemy population and then LEAVE SUCCESS OR FAILURE UP TO THE ENEMY.Absurd.

Well at least you got that much correct, your rant was utterly absurd.

Perhaps the all Muslims are enemies crowd MIGHT try to explain why the bulk of the fighting, and dying, on our side of the War is being done by Muslims?

Counter Insurgency is not Total War. Way past time the Freeper Patton wanna bes learn the difference rather then mindlessly cling to their rabid ignorance about Iraq.

17 posted on 10/15/2006 10:17:23 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (EeevilCon, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Gun Owning Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: wastoute

We are doing what we need to do. Killing Terrorists. Iraq is our kill zoen. The Dinocons simply refuse to give up their arrogant Neo Isolationist mindset that they can simply go back to ignoring terrorism and it will go away. They cling to their 09-10-01 mindset and refuse to evolve one inch beyond it.


18 posted on 10/15/2006 10:19:06 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (EeevilCon, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Gun Owning Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: oolatec
Another rabid Know Nothing dogma. This "All is Lost in Iraq" dogma is a sign the DinoCons simply knows NOTHING at all about ground truth in Iraq. Maybe instead of clinging to their Neo Isolationist dogmas the Know Nothings MIGHT try reading any of dozens of posts Sandrat posts here every day. Maybe read some Mil blogs. Pretty obvious they simple read the propaganda put out by the Junk Media and mindlessly repeat it here.
19 posted on 10/15/2006 10:23:37 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (EeevilCon, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Gun Owning Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: MadIvan

The Biblical reason we have come to this point in this world.

Genesis 16
Hagar and Ishmael
1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her."
Abram agreed to what Sarai said. 3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.
When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me."
6 "Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her whatever you think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.

7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"
"I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.

9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." 10 The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."

11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:
"You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael, [a]
for the LORD has heard of your misery.

12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward [b] all his brothers."


20 posted on 10/15/2006 10:26:13 AM PDT by right way right
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