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CA: Proponents, critics differ over Prop. 87's cost (Oil Tax)
Stockton Record ^ | Oct 14, 2006 | Alex Breitler

Posted on 10/14/2006 1:42:35 PM PDT by calcowgirl

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To: calcowgirl

Never mind...


21 posted on 10/14/2006 2:55:12 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: goldstategop
I got a laugh out of her quoting some of his raving (Whine!):
When I chide him, noting that journalists have in fact been very easy on him lately, aside from the Daily Planet, he barks: "Because it's a nothing little paper! Joyce Roy who writes for them? I know her brother-in-law! He doesn't like me! The other guy who writes about me is nothing! He's nobody! These people!"

22 posted on 10/14/2006 2:55:44 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

I guess it pays to read the thread first, before asking dumb questions!!!


23 posted on 10/14/2006 2:55:58 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: calcowgirl

Thios is the dumbest ballot initiative in history. It's like it was written by a bunch of high school girls.


24 posted on 10/14/2006 2:56:27 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The California Republican Party needs Arnold the way a drowning man needs an anvil.)
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To: calcowgirl
Borrowing, taxes, borrowing, taxes. I'm voting NO on all of them except Prop 85 and Prop 90 (Eminent domain).

Borrowing, taxes, borrowing, taxes. I'm voting NO on all of them except Prop 85 and Prop 90, and 1A....

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25 posted on 10/14/2006 2:57:41 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The California Republican Party needs Arnold the way a drowning man needs an anvil.)
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To: SierraWasp
What more would you or anyone else have to think over on this ridiculously extreme measure?

Nothing more. I just found the post informative as it highlighted some of the newer ways these initiatives are being used to prohibit any future correction in the law and further screw the taxpayer. They are refining the process; I'm sure we'll be seeing more of it.

I've pretty much decided to vote against all the measures except 85 and 90. Am I makin any mistakes?

Not that I can see. That is how I will vote.

26 posted on 10/14/2006 2:59:19 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SierraWasp
I guess it pays to read the thread first, before asking dumb questions!!!

I did the same thing... so now I'm giving you multiple responses! LOL.

27 posted on 10/14/2006 3:02:23 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ElkGroveDan
This is the dumbest ballot initiative in history. It's like it was written by a bunch of high school girls.

Read #13. It was written by robber barons.

28 posted on 10/14/2006 3:03:37 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

You can add my NO vote on Prop 87. Anything Bubba is for, I'm automatically against. My absentee ballot should be here any day and it will be my extreme pleasure to vote NO on most of the propositions.


29 posted on 10/14/2006 3:04:26 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: caseinpoint

I misspoke (miswrote?) about the 25% reduction over ten years goals. It isn't greenhouses gases but how much petroleum-based products are used that is to be reduced by 25%.


30 posted on 10/14/2006 3:17:07 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan; P-40; Dog Gone; thackney; BOBTHENAILER
Girl... I'm tellin ya! The "sucker bait" is everywhere these days!!!

While I was sittin here tappin out the previous erroneous replies to you... Here comes another "pump and dump" fax wastin my expensive ink cartridge and my paper, pushin a brand new "penny stock" touting it with "CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR ARNOLD SCHWARTZENEGGER RELEASED THE BIOENERGY ACTION PLAN ANNOUNCING AGGRESSIVE ETHANOL PRODUCTION" to make everybody think this is some great righteous "ground floor" investment opportunity!!!

This "alternative fuels" pipedream is permeating everywhere because normally sensible Americans and Cauleeforneeuhns are freakin out of their minds over Arabs gettin richer offa their oil sales!!! It's really beginning to effect people's judgement and a lot of folks are gonna git hurt, AGAIN!!!

Not only is there one born every minute, the ones that sucked into Jimmy Carter's windmills and nose-wheel-drive cars in the '70's are suckin in again, only harder and harder! It's simply unbelieveable!!! Even I find myself driving extra miles to by three cents cheaper gas, but I buy lots of it and big tankfuls do make quite a difference!

But here we have the ultimate "SUCKER BAIT" ballot measure!!! I see all the dreamers cresting the hill, not knowing there's a sudden drop-off just over the crest!!!

31 posted on 10/14/2006 3:22:22 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: calcowgirl
Just like a true California liberal! Voters want him and the Brown they will get is the Attorney General they deserve.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

32 posted on 10/14/2006 3:24:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie
Here comes another "pump and dump" fax wastin my expensive ink cartridge and my paper, pushin a brand new "penny stock"

Play 'dem pennies, SW! LOL. It's not Apollo Resources, is it?

Arnold announced the "Bioenergy Action Plan" back in July with Bill Jones and his new found company Pacific Ethanol (PEIX) in tow. PEIX is hooked up with Virgin's Richard Branson and some of the ex-Enron guys (Koehler comes to mind), as well as Bill Gates. Pacific Ethanol went public in one of those fandangled reverse mergers into an empty shell company (Accessity Corporation). They actually pumped that stock up to over $45 dollars (a market cap of about 1 1/2 billion) despite it never turning a profit. Last I looked it was trading under $15. Whether Ethanol, Hydrogen, Fuel Cells, or Solar, some folks are makin' a lot of money creating and trading a bunch of worthless stock (I am not saying PEIX is one of them, but many are).

33 posted on 10/14/2006 3:58:42 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Just vote NO on all of the props.


34 posted on 10/14/2006 4:27:05 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: jocko12

Normally I'd agree, but Prop 90 is well worth a yes!!! No doubt about it!!!


35 posted on 10/14/2006 5:15:27 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: calcowgirl
"Opponents of Proposition 87 noted Friday that support for the measure is sagging, and predicted that the involvement of Clinton and Gore would not be enough to save sink a proposal that they say would create an unaccountable bureaucracy."

What they should have said [and were probably thinking]...

36 posted on 10/14/2006 5:32:54 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Bobkk47

hahah, thanks. Jackie Goldberg is against it? Must get that one through. And Poochigian. I'd hate to see Jerry Brown moonbeaming around up there once again./roll eyes/


37 posted on 10/14/2006 6:08:25 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Yes, the initiatives are a joke. As are most of the 'lawmakers' in Sacramento (and I use the term loosely). Not one bill has been passed that has anything to do with reality -- get rid of C02/ pollution-free power/ broccoli-run hybrids? I'd like to clean house up there.


38 posted on 10/14/2006 6:12:15 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: calcowgirl
Have you been to Lew Uhlers great site?
39 posted on 10/14/2006 6:39:07 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: bboop
I'd like to clean house up there.

Yes as would many of us. There are 48 Democrats in the Assembly who need to go, and 25 Democrats in the Senate. So get involved and go campiagn against one or more of them.

40 posted on 10/14/2006 6:48:32 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The California Republican Party needs Arnold the way a drowning man needs an anvil.)
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