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How Bad Will It Be? [Fred Barnes]
Weekly Standard ^ | 10/23/2006 | By Fred Barnes

Posted on 10/14/2006 4:34:21 AM PDT by johnny7

REPUBLICANS and conservatives, brace yourselves! Strategists and consultants of both parties now believe the House is lost and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi will become speaker. At best, Republicans will cling to control of the Senate by a single seat, two at most. For many election cycles, Republicans have been the boys of October, using paid media and superior campaign skills to make up lost ground and win in November. This year, they were the boys of September, rallying strongly until that fateful day, September 29, when the Mark Foley scandal erupted. October has been a disaster so far. A strong finishing kick for Republicans, minimizing Democratic gains, is possible. They pulled one off brilliantly in President Bush's first midterm election in 2002. But recovery will be harder this time, a lot harder.

The press is fixated on the so-called generic ballot--Do you want a Democratic or Republican Congress?--as an indicator of Republican setbacks on November 7. But that gauge has rarely been predictive. Two others are more reliable: presidential approval and party enthusiasm. And they tell an ominous story for Republicans about the difference between 2002 and 2006.

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To: johnny7

DOW up....Gas down.....dims discombobulated.....GOP wins.


141 posted on 10/14/2006 3:26:17 PM PDT by spokeshave (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: nwrep
The 1994 pre-election polls showed the Dems in big trouble.

NOT.

142 posted on 10/14/2006 3:26:51 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher
You wrote: NOT.

Here is some proof:

Wash Post, Oct 9, 1994: "WHEN DEMS CRY":

...Mitchell's exit is another nail in the coffin of the Democrats. He is considered an ornament of his party. The Democrats may even lose his seat; who his successor in the Senate will be is up for grabs. A post-election internal fight is precisely what the demoralized -- and possibly decimated -- Democrats do not need.

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Wash Post, Oct 30, 1994: "HOT HOUSE"

....Even if in the Nov. 8 midterm elections Democrats survive a Republican onslaught and retain their numerical majority, the victory will be one of the most hollow in the history of the House of Representatives. Others like Cook are forecasting a blow-out of as many as 35 seats.

143 posted on 10/14/2006 3:45:39 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: Beagle8U
Beware the comma splice.
144 posted on 10/14/2006 3:52:30 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: #1CTYankee
I think we will pick up seats. There is no buzz, no water cooler talk, no one saying I am tired of the pubbies and I am voting for dims. When the pubbies took over the house and senate there was electricity in the air. People were talking and declaring their intentions. I see none of this. All I hear is cricket chirping, aside from the usual dims coming by my office and the MSM telling me how they are taking over in November, no one tells me they are switching from pubbie to dims. So...I think things will turn out alright and I think we will gain seats. Nothing major but a few. Following this, and regardless of outcome, the Dims will be demanding their party move farther to the left. Life is good now and will be better in the future.
145 posted on 10/14/2006 4:24:38 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: nwrep

Those citations are not "proof" of your assertion about polls. You are simply incorrect.


146 posted on 10/14/2006 4:28:16 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: ExtremeUnction

Sure, a mess for Pelosi and the rest, IF the Rats only win by a few seats.

But if they win by 10 or more, they'll be favored to hold the House in '08. If they win by 15 or more, it will be very hard to get a functional Republican majority elected for a long time, unless we're lucky.

We need to fight tooth and nail until the polls close on the evening of November 7. And no defeatism. Any Republican who doesn't participate in this campaign, by which I mean contacting voters if they have the physical ability to do this (and who can't at least make phone calls?), is betraying their country. It's that simple this time.


147 posted on 10/14/2006 4:28:31 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Nuc1

Unfortunately, one person's experience rarely counts as hard evidence of anything more. Your story is nice, but doesn't mean much. If we hear the same thing from many other FReepers, I'll consider that. I think all we need to know at this point is that the situation is threatening but not hopeless. What we need to do is ACT, not SPECULATE. And that goes for positive as well as negative speculation. We can share hopeful anecdotes and hopeful poll results with each other. But let's not get into predictions that everything will be just fine. There is too much evidence of danger, and complacency will kill us
just as surely as doom and gloom.


148 posted on 10/14/2006 4:32:43 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: kellynla
I doubt they would want to impeach GWB just to make Dick Cheney POTUS

They'll impeach Cheney first, THEN impeach Bush, without appointing a VP.

149 posted on 10/14/2006 4:34:12 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: California Patriot
No one is complacent. I am sorry you think so, or at least you seem to. I think you have heard the same thing from many freepers. I have read all the comments here and there are a number of positive ones. That said it doesn't mean it is time for slack grabbing. We shall see what happens.;)
150 posted on 10/14/2006 4:39:32 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: #1CTYankee
With all due respect to believe the GOP can actually "pick up seats" is not facing reality.

There's a lot of denial around here. When every single poll shows things are bad it means things are bad. I personally think we're so far behind it's hopeless, but I'm going to vote, I'm going to volunteer for our local GOTV, and I've already contributed to some candidates I like and I contributed to some candidates through Rightroot and I'll give some more. There is a big difference between losing the House by 1 or 2 seats, which we can easily win back (we're going to lose DeLay and Foley, both safe seats) or losing by 15, which will make it impossible. Facing reality doesn't mean you sit on your hands, you can lose a battle and win the war.

151 posted on 10/14/2006 4:45:06 PM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
They'll impeach Cheney first, THEN impeach Bush, without appointing a VP.

So? Who cares if they impeach them both? Without the 67 votes to convict...Bush remains the president and Cheney remains the VEEP. Where are they going to get 67 votes?

152 posted on 10/14/2006 5:00:50 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

51+ from the Democrats.

The remaining 16- from Hillary Clinton's FBI files and the "gaymail" strategy that the Foley shills used.


153 posted on 10/14/2006 5:30:44 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: justanotherfreeper
When every single poll shows things are bad it means things are bad.

No, it means that every single poll shows things are bad. You are making a presumption that the polls reflect reality, and that's not necessarily the way to bet. When you look at the polling methodology, you either find that the methodology is flawed (massively oversampling Democrats, for example), or the methodology is not disclosed (which usually indicates that the methodology is so screwed up that they'd die of embarrassment if it came out).

154 posted on 10/14/2006 5:33:33 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Please put your tinfoil hat away. It ain't happening. First of all, the dims aren't even going to go for impeachment...because the country doesn't want it (they aren't totally stupid) and second, if they did, there are not enough votes....even with blackmail....which wouldn't happen.

To blackmail someone to vote for conviction with an "FBI file" would be the dumbest political move possible...because if it got out that this happened...and it would (nothing in DC stays hidden for long)...Hillary's chance in '08 would be finished.

You don't actually believe what you are typing...do you?

And we call the DUmmies paranoid? We have our fair share right here in Freeperland.

155 posted on 10/14/2006 5:43:49 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: M. Thatcher
Those citations are not "proof" of your assertion about polls.

Of course they are. How else do you think liberal Wash. Post columnists like Mary McGrory and others were arriving at these conclusions and using phrases like "Republican onslaught" and "nail in the coffin"? From their dreams and fantasies? Don't you see, they were simply opining based on the pre-election polls in 1994.

156 posted on 10/14/2006 5:46:45 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: NELSON111
First of all, the dims aren't even going to go for impeachment...because the country doesn't want it (they aren't totally stupid)

The problem is that the moneybags groups for the Democratic Party want it to happen, and no Democrat is willing to court the ire of their campaign financiers. Rule One: never annoy them who sign the checks.

and second, if they did, there are not enough votes....even with blackmail....which wouldn't happen.

There would be at least 51 votes for conviction if the Democrats hold the Senate, possibly as many as 55 if the disaster scenario is true.

Let's assume the latter. All they would need is 12 RINOs, opportunists (Howard Baker turned his trip to Nixon into a meal ticket for almost 20 years--so McCain might decide to go for the kill to burnish his "Straight Talk" credentials in '08), and vulnerable targets to vote for conviction.

To blackmail someone to vote for conviction with an "FBI file" would be the dumbest political move possible...because if it got out that this happened...and it would (nothing in DC stays hidden for long)...Hillary's chance in '08 would be finished.

And Hillary's minions in the press would spend their time pushing the story that a few "right-wing extremists" were behind the blackmail rumors, and in the meantime the "right-wing extremist" websites would be targeted for "hacktivism" and legal harrassment.

Also, never underestimate the chances of another Perot coming along to split the center-right vote, especially if the Clintons are involved--Perot was going to make a fortune off of Hillarycare, for example.

157 posted on 10/14/2006 5:56:06 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
You are making a presumption that the polls reflect reality,

Well, yes, I am. Look, even if you exclude newspaper and tv polls, which are pretty much worthless, even reliable folks like Rassmussen are showing us getting a shellacking. I'm not saying you don't keep fighting, as somebody in this thread said, until the polls close at 7 pm, but you'd think somebody would be showing us doing well.

And I don't see the RNC or NRCC or NRSC saying "wait, our internal polls are showing us kicking tail!" which they've done in the past. They're saying "it's a tough year, but our turnout machine will save us" which means their internals show them losing also -- and I have to believe the party committees at least would make sure their pollsters aren't using secret sauce or skewing the results.

I will say if you're right, and we do signifcantly better than expected, something is clearly fundamentally wrong with polling. I find it hard to believe a critical mass of people have either stopped talking to or are lying to pollsters to make polling worthless. I'd love to be wrong, but I just don't see there is some huge group of folks that pollsters aren't able to sample.

158 posted on 10/14/2006 5:59:15 PM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: johnny7

bunch of C-BS from DemonRat Freddie


159 posted on 10/14/2006 6:04:42 PM PDT by johna61
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
OK...if the Dims take the senate and the house...I have any amount of money to put up on this scenario you are willing to wager.

This is just like all those people who said Clinton would never leave office...he would declare marial law...etc etc...name the conspiracy theory of your choice.

Didn't happen. So...if the dims take both over...look me up and name a price...I'll take this action. Matter of fact...we can make two bets....1) Impeachment and 2) Conviction.

160 posted on 10/14/2006 6:06:13 PM PDT by NELSON111
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