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Boy in "Hopeless" Vegetative State Awakens and Steadily Improves
LifeSiteNews ^ | 10/10/06 | Hilary White

Posted on 10/10/2006 4:04:27 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: spunkets
>> I don't believe Cheshire, and he was proved to be wrong by the autopsy results.

He certainly was not. I've read the autopsy report three times now, plus browsing. It says nothing of the sort. Drs. Thogmartin and Nelson were at pains to say, in the report and in press conferences, that an autopsy CANNOT determine PVS status. That can only be done with a living patient, and only with repeated examinations over time.

161 posted on 10/12/2006 2:52:29 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: Prince Charles
Yeah, that was great good fun :-) I'm not going to name any names, but one of the posters was particularly brash from the beginning. To listen to him, he was infallible the way a mere Pope never could be. Then... oops! Bright red blushes.

I also liked the one who sneered that a radiologist doesn't know anything because he isn't a doctor. Polybius probably spewed coffee all over his monitor laughing at that one :-)

162 posted on 10/12/2006 3:05:03 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: spunkets
>> Terri was determined to be absolutely blind at autosy.

AFTER dehydration, which destroys body organs, including brain tissue. She was badly vision-impaired while alive, but not blind.

>> Cheshire's comments are almost all due to watching the parents videos.

Dr. Cheshire observed Terri first-hand, in her room, for as long as BOTH of Michael's hired doctors put together.

163 posted on 10/12/2006 3:19:20 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: spunkets
>> For the record, none of them were competent to make such a determination.

None? No one out of fifty neurologists, therapists and medical specialists? If experienced neurologists aren't competent to make the diagnosis, who is?

I hope Polybius isn't listening in. He'd spew another cup of coffee on his monitor.

164 posted on 10/12/2006 3:30:53 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit
AFTER dehydration, which destroys body organs, including brain tissue. She was badly vision-impaired while alive, but not blind

Since the poster only believes what "his" doctors say, do you have the Cranford Video available for evidence?

165 posted on 10/12/2006 3:49:08 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
>> do you have the Cranford Video available for evidence?

No, not at this desk :-), but it shouldn't be hard to come by. Anyone?

166 posted on 10/12/2006 4:23:48 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit
" She was not blind before being dehydrated to death.

The autopsy proved she was blind for a long time. That kind of atrophy doesn't happen in the time span of a week and it's never as localized. She was blind and the testimony by docs, claiming she followed objects, is a flat out lie.

167 posted on 10/12/2006 4:27:41 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: T'wit
"No one out of fifty neurologists, therapists and medical specialists?"

Odn't exaggerate the number of neurologists by tossing in nurses and phlebotomists. The number of docs was on the order of 2! The others, such as Cheshire were speaking mostly of the bogus film put out by the parents, that contained less than 2 min out of about 45 of some coincidental and misleading evidence.

168 posted on 10/12/2006 4:32:52 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

With all the science out there, there's still so much doctors don't know about the brain. Just because 99% of people with that same injury would not make it, doesn't mean that 1% are fake, wrong, or any less severe. It just means that there are many things our doctors and scientists are far from mastering. When an educated, practicing professional uses all the intellectual power he has and makes a statement he can back with decades of research, only to be proven wrong by a "miracle", what then? Things like this, although rare, do occur. I don't need to be a doctor to know that some things have stumped them. That is why the word "miracle" exists. It is the explanation when there isn't one.


169 posted on 10/12/2006 4:36:47 PM PDT by solosmoke
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To: T'wit
Re: >> I don't believe Cheshire, and he was proved to be wrong by the autopsy results.

He certainly was not. I've read the autopsy report three times now, plus browsing. It says nothing of the sort. Drs. Thogmartin and Nelson were at pains to say, in the report and in press conferences, that an autopsy CANNOT determine PVS status. That can only be done with a living patient, and only with repeated examinations over time.

The autopsy report supported PVS. The diagnosis of PVS was made by other docs over many years. Terri never changed. The autopsy report determined that she was blind for a long time and if you say Cheshire examined her and he said she follows objects, then he's either a liar, or totally incompetent.

170 posted on 10/12/2006 4:40:10 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
The autopsy proved she was blind for a long time.

How long? What did the autopsy say?

171 posted on 10/12/2006 4:43:56 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: solosmoke
"When an educated, practicing professional uses all the intellectual power he has and makes a statement he can back with decades of research, only to be proven wrong by a "miracle", what then?"

It means that particular person didn't know what he was doing, or talking about. The word miracle has no place in science, because it is a completely arbitrary word.

172 posted on 10/12/2006 4:45:27 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: bjs1779
" How long? What did the autopsy say?"

Many years. The autopsy mentioned atrophy and that's how long it takes to get what was described.

173 posted on 10/12/2006 4:48:05 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Many years. The autopsy mentioned atrophy and that's how long it takes to get what was described.

Is that what it said? Post it.

174 posted on 10/12/2006 4:49:48 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: solosmoke
I don't need to be a doctor to know that some things have stumped them.

I'm not a doc and my observation from personal and professional experience is that they are quite often stumped, when I'm not. In this case of the description given Oprah's presentation, I know it was in reality nothing close to what you described and any docs that played along with it were putting on a show.

175 posted on 10/12/2006 4:53:16 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

What is your opinion of Dr. Cranford? Straight shooter?


176 posted on 10/12/2006 4:55:08 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
"Post it."

Go look it up. Post 159 says you read and understood it.

177 posted on 10/12/2006 4:55:26 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: bjs1779
"What is your opinion of Dr. Cranford? Straight shooter?"

Never met him. His diagnosis of PVS was backed by Dr Bambakidis(sp) from Ohio and all the other docs, but 2, or 3. Hammersfar was one of those few and he was simply hawking a bogus hyperbaric oxygen treatment.

178 posted on 10/12/2006 4:59:26 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Go look it up. Post 159 says you read and understood it.

It looks like I am responding to facts based on emotion here. I won't bother you anymore.

179 posted on 10/12/2006 5:03:09 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: spunkets

My daughter has tons of brain damage. On a scale of 0-10, 0 meaning no brain damage, and 10 meaning dead, my daughter is a 5.

You would not tell by looking at her that anything is wrong with her. She still has a speech problem, but she is only 10. I am sure that when she is an adult most people will not know she has a problem.

She is extremely good (to 95%) in math for her age.

She does have some auditory memory problems, and her reading is a little below grade level.

However, she is not in a wheelchair. She can run, jump, ride a bike, swim, eat, and think like a regular 9 year old.

The brain is amazing, and we don't know that much about it.


180 posted on 10/12/2006 5:06:48 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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