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And we thought Clinton had no self-control
The Washington Monthly ^ | Oct, 2006 | Joe Scarborough

Posted on 10/10/2006 11:08:32 AM PDT by Small-L

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To: Small-L
Under Bill Clinton’s presidency, discretionary spending grew at a modest rate of 3.4 percent

Why look at only at discretionary spending? It's "entitlements" that form the bulk of the growth in federal spending. Discretionary spending includes all those things the federal government is either explicitly supposed to do, like raise and support Armies and a Navy, or things that seems reasonable for the national government to be doing, like building Interstate highways, since they help in regulating Interstate Commerce, just as canals such did in an earlier era.

I don't see anything about any individual entitlements in the Constitution.

61 posted on 10/10/2006 1:32:07 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Small-L
During the 1990s, conservative Republicans and the Clinton White House somehow managed to balance the budget while winning two wars,

I don't remember us winning any wars in the Clinton portion of the 1990s? Unless he means against Serbia, where we likely were on the wrong side. What would the other war be? Desert Shield/Storm was in the 1990s but under Bush.

Of course most of that budget balancing was at the expense of the military, the only thing Clinton ever really cut.

62 posted on 10/10/2006 1:35:35 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Small-L
Every figure you cite is wrong.

Who told you those lies?
Why are you trying to pass them off at Free Republic?

63 posted on 10/10/2006 2:07:14 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Small-L
Oh OK I see in the article the figures are "since Republicans started running Congress".

I though it was since Bush was president.

Really sorry about that.

64 posted on 10/10/2006 2:10:49 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Small-L

for comparison:

Federal outlays


1965 118 trillion
1975 332 trillion
1985 946 trillion
1995 1,515 trillion
2005 2,472 trillion

Republicans have done better than the average congress in holding down budget growth.

Sure, it'd be nice if they did better...


65 posted on 10/10/2006 2:28:41 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: MNJohnnie
You da man!!! tell the fiscal one notes what conservative looks like!! it is not only the ability to make government work, but also the ability to make government work for social change!! You have created a great list. Thanks.

I'm as much a fan of Reagan as of GW, but cut and run started in Lebanon when 240 Marines did not get a proper force action for their murder. We did not make it right till after 9/11.

80% of the people in prison can't read at 8th grade level. Do we reduce the prison population if they can read? I think so - someone ask Chuck Colson. NCLB is a conservative program. Your highlight of the medical savingss and choic program is another GREAT Conservate win - to heck with NRO and George Will. Cleaning up the EPA is a preetty good start too. /my rant is off and again I THANK YOU.

66 posted on 10/10/2006 3:08:24 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: Small-L

What about Homeland Insecurity. The brand new agency designed to protect the country and its citizens.
I thought that was fedgov.coms main job all these years.
How little I know.
A dep of education that does not educate.
A dep of energy that produces zero energy..
Commerce is just a excuse to subvert the Constitution.
Justice has become a joke. One law for the elite.
Health and human services? Must be where they disburse the wages they stole from honest hard working men and women.
Dep of housing and urban dev. lol Yeah they have done a wonderful job.
Dep of transportation? The only transporting being done there is when star trek reruns are on the tube.


67 posted on 10/10/2006 3:25:28 PM PDT by winodog
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To: MNJohnnie
4 Weeks before the election is NOT the time for these inter party hissy fits. This article does ONE thing. Helps elect Democrats. All the rationalizing and self delusion in the world does NOT change that basic fact.

Fact is, I used to care, but I don't any more. The Republican controlled congress has been spending like drunken sailors for 6 years. With very few exceptions, they have not earned my vote.

68 posted on 10/10/2006 3:30:19 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: paul51

Unfortunately, we don't have one of those for the next 2 years. Bush has veto'd what, 1 bill in 6 years ? He worked with the Swimmer to give us a bloated Education spending bill.

No, I think conservatives will be in a world of hurt if the Dems take over this fall, which is why I plan to vote Republican. I'm not happy about the RINOS, but it's better than having the Dems in power.


69 posted on 10/10/2006 4:54:12 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

President Bush has shown he will not veto GOP legislation. Hopefully, he will dim legislation


70 posted on 10/10/2006 4:55:44 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: MNJohnnie

Republicans get a free pass from me. In 1998 Demonrats screamed for war. In 2003 they screamed NO WAR for OIL.

This guy also gets a free pass:

Islam is a vile religion - Gene Simmons.


71 posted on 10/10/2006 6:05:44 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: MNJohnnie

"Taking a set of numbers out of context to validate preconceived notions is propaganda, not intellectual inquiry."

This describes you excellently. I have yet to see any intellectual inquiry from you on the state of the federal budget which actually uses numbers showing spending increases in non-defense items the last 5 years.


72 posted on 10/10/2006 7:11:23 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: MNJohnnie

Good Compilation.


73 posted on 10/10/2006 7:20:58 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Small-L
...when the time to vote comes along, just remember 40 years of Democratic control...from the "great society" AND TRILLIONS of 70's and 80's dollars to the dumbing of our kids to Political Correctness..all under a Democratically controlled Congress. Let libs control Congress?. It was once said it was going to take 10 years to strengthen out what Clinton did and didn't do...and that was before 9/11.
Please don't give in to the suppressive ploy...

DO NOT FALL FOR THE DOOM AND GLOOM....vote and vote Republican.

Doogle
74 posted on 10/10/2006 7:32:31 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF 69-73...."never store a threat you should have eliminated")
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To: Doogle

strengthen=straighten


75 posted on 10/10/2006 7:33:16 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF 69-73...."never store a threat you should have eliminated")
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To: Small-L
s anyone at the RNC or in Congress worried that their base may be looking at their record over the last few years?

And you think the RATS are going to do better?
76 posted on 10/10/2006 7:34:45 PM PDT by John Lenin (If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: MNJohnnie

Good list .


77 posted on 10/10/2006 7:47:30 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Who got the Federal Spending Data base created so average Citizens will be able to track all Federal Spending on line starting next year?

Not the Republicans! It's being blocked by a Republican Senator.

78 posted on 10/10/2006 7:48:31 PM PDT by Small-L (I love my Country and our Constitution, but I despise what our politicians have done to it.)
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To: MNJohnnie

man I'm glad I say your post...saves me a zillion posts....simply, yep, great job


79 posted on 10/10/2006 7:48:55 PM PDT by advertising guy
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To: oust the louse

and it is either the FBI files or Condit


80 posted on 10/10/2006 7:57:38 PM PDT by advertising guy
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