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When North Korea Falls [the prospect of North Korea’s catastrophic collapse]
Thje Atlantic Monthly ^ | October 2006 | by Robert D. Kaplan

Posted on 10/10/2006 8:25:17 AM PDT by aculeus

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To: aculeus

I think this is an excellent article and fills in my understanding a lot better than previously.


21 posted on 10/10/2006 10:11:10 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: aculeus
Fortunately, the demise of North Korea is more likely to be drawn out. Robert Collins, a retired Army master sergeant and now a civilian area expert for the American military in South Korea, outlined for me seven phases of collapse in the North:

Phase One: resource depletion;

Phase Two: the failure to maintain infrastructure around the country because of resource depletion;

Phase Three: the rise of independent fiefs informally controlled by local party apparatchiks or warlords, along with widespread corruption to circumvent a failing central government;

Phase Four: the attempted suppression of these fiefs by the KFR once it feels that they have become powerful enough;

Phase Five: active resistance against the central government;

Phase Six: the fracture of the regime; and

Phase Seven: the formation of new national leadership.

North Korea probably reached Phase Four in the mid-1990s, but was saved by subsidies from China and South Korea, as well as by famine aid from the United States. It has now gone back to Phase Three.

Just think, Kim's regime could well have collapsed by now, but the Clinton Admin helped prop it back up.

22 posted on 10/10/2006 10:47:51 AM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: alloysteel
Much like the situation between East and West Germany when the Wall came down.

It will be 100 times worse. North Korea is in much worse shape than East Germany was at the fall of Communism. North Korea has WMD's under their direct control, and a massive army with lots of guns and (in the event of a Kim collapse) no pay and no food.

23 posted on 10/10/2006 10:51:44 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Disturbin
If that's the case, why did he stop doing Korean broads and set his sights on blowing up the world?

Same reason George Soros did - old men find the game of international politics far more enticing than the Centerfold of the Month. ;)

24 posted on 10/10/2006 10:56:28 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Steel Wolf; aculeus
As defectors from his country will tell you, he was also a popular anti-Japanese guerrilla leader in the mold of Enver Hoxha, the Stalinist tyrant of Albania who led his countrymen in a successful insurgency against the Nazis.

I wonder how it is that western media unmasked Ferdinand Marco as a poser & fraud when it came to his anti-Japanese military activities while Kim Il Sung gets a free pass?

25 posted on 10/10/2006 1:18:23 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: dirtboy
seven phases of collapse?

Sounds like a feature item on a Chinese menu.... I wonder if that comes with fried rice?

26 posted on 10/10/2006 1:21:32 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy
Marco = Marcos

Sheeze!

27 posted on 10/10/2006 1:22:51 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: aculeus

Bookmark


28 posted on 10/10/2006 1:23:17 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Never Forget)
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To: Tallguy

It could come with a lot of fried people if this gets out of hand.


29 posted on 10/10/2006 1:27:58 PM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: Night Hides Not

Well, that should lend a little "blast" to his "missile"!


30 posted on 10/10/2006 3:55:22 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: alloysteel

"One of the reasons South Korea is supporting the North Korean regime is that, when the Kim Jong-Il government collapses, a huge stream of refugees will come boiling across into South Korea."

THIS is so true alloy.

But, I believe it also exposes the absolute selfishness of the South Koreans. They can eat, but don't really care that their so-called "brother and sister Koreans" have naught.

They talk a good fight, but they wouldn't do what is right and necessary to free the North. It would get in the way of watching thier plasma TV's and spending Saturday evenings out on the town.

That's fine with me, but I really feel they should drop the fuax concern for their cousins and misguided disdain for the United States as a cover for cowardess.

May not have been your point, but it's just an opinion I've held for a long time.


31 posted on 10/10/2006 4:20:28 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: aculeus

Robert D. Kaplan is rapidly becoming one of my favorite writers, and the reason I always get a copy of "The Atlantic Monthly".


32 posted on 10/11/2006 5:50:41 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Disturbin

That's because Hugh Hefner is not as insane as little Kim, of course Charlie Manson isn't quite as insane as little Kim. (ok maybe Charlie is)


33 posted on 10/11/2006 5:53:27 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: ozzymandus

So, is kim a genius or an idiot?

Yes.


34 posted on 10/11/2006 5:55:15 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Greenpees

Why should the care - I don't care about Mexicans other than building a wall to keep 'em their country.

Reuniting with NK would be an economic disaster.


35 posted on 10/11/2006 6:14:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: aculeus

What the south wants is a fully reunited Korea. This is why South Korea is hoping for the fall of North Korea.


36 posted on 10/11/2006 9:22:53 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: aculeus

Do you know if there's a North Korea ping list? I'm looking for a story I read a few days ago and I figure the pinger would know where to look.

I'm dealing with a liberal who thinks NK is a utopia and I was looking for a story about North Korean escapees who are returned from China.


37 posted on 10/14/2006 10:53:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: cripplecreek

Not aware of such a ping list.

A FReeper whose screen name I forget (it's "rooster" something) follows NK rather closely and may in fact have a list.


38 posted on 10/14/2006 11:06:21 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus

I found what I was looking for. It's a horror story.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2393599,00.html


39 posted on 10/14/2006 11:13:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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