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Foley: The Final Straw
Time ^ | October 7, 2006 | Frank Luntz

Posted on 10/08/2006 5:27:03 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: ovrtaxt
You take what you can get, ovrtxt. That's what happened to vouchers. Try to remember what the climate was like in the summer of 2001. Closely divided Senate, Jeffords jumped, etc.

Reagan always said you take what you can get and then come back for more. Sure vouchers are a great idea, but we still can't get it through. So, we take what we can get, use the bill to get what change we can, and then come back for more.

I understand getting frustrated, but throwing out the Republicans because things aren't happening fast enough will NOT get you the result you think you want.

401 posted on 10/10/2006 4:05:42 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: quidnunc
What went wrong? Why do Democrats finally appear to be heading toward electoral success and Republicans back into the political wilderness? In a word, fatigue. Americans are tired of the war, tired of watching illegal aliens race across our unguarded borders, tired of high energy costs, tired of wasteful Washington spending, and tired of story after story of political corruption and misbehavior.

And putting 'Rats in charge is going to change this precisely how, Frank?

402 posted on 10/10/2006 4:16:01 AM PDT by sauropod ("Work as if you were to live 100 Years, Pray as if you were to die To-morrow." - Ben Franklin)
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To: Miss Marple

I'm certainly not advocating throwing them out. Not until the Dems are marginalized. But I'll be darned if I ever support a moderate vs. a conservative, despite that silly theory you guys outlined earlier. Nothing against you personally, but that's the goofiest excuse for moderate weakness I've seen in a while.

But that's the threat. I will dump these moderate GOP sissies first chance I get and go right. Like I stated, it's in their best interest to keep the Dems relatively strong to keep guys like me around. But I'm not ignorant of their game.


403 posted on 10/10/2006 4:19:43 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (We gotta watch out for the Hellbazoo and the Hamas...)
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To: ovrtaxt

I understand, but in places like Rhode Island Chaffee is the best you are going to get. Local districts are different in their degree of conservatism. For example, in my district (formerly part of Dan Burton's and now part of Steve Buyer's) you can get a conservative elected easily. North of me, in Indianapolis, it is pretty hard to get ANY GOP guy elected over the odious Julia Carson, let alone a conservative. The country just isn't uniformly receptive to conservative ideas, and what works in the Midwest and the South isn't going to work in the Northeast or the West Coast. So, we take who we can get and use their Republican affiliation (no matter how mushy) to gain the majority and make the climate more pro-conservative.


404 posted on 10/10/2006 4:26:20 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

I understand what you're saying, but there was no political reason to favor Martinez over McCollum in FL, or to undermine Harris. And once they get to DC, the compromises never stop. But I don't want to just complain, here are some constructive ideas if they really wanted to change their fortunes:

1> The FairTax would gut all lobbyists' influence instantly. Pass it and it's done. Not only that, making every consumer a taxpayer would breed lots of tax-haters.

2> If Republicans called off the daily press briefings and went directly to the friendly alternative media, (namely us), it would set up a legitimacy for more accurate news outlets.

Let the Dems try to sustain their one-sided partnership with network news and print papers. It's already owned by the libs anyway, why perpetuate the false illusion any more? Just ignore them and go to other outlets.

3> Get behind real education reform and start setting up the next generation for long term common sense and less reliance on government.

4>Close the borders, enact serious legal immigration policies, and return to a more controlled voter registration process instead of this stupid motor voter thing.

5>Deregulate the health insurance industry and limit the power of PI attorneys.

These are just a few ideas of mine.If the entire party did this, the Dems would lose influence very quickly. But what do I know, I'm just some business owner in flyover country.


405 posted on 10/10/2006 4:57:29 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (We gotta watch out for the Hellbazoo and the Hamas...)
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To: nopardons

Well, I am not a Protestant, and the VP candidate of the Party is not either, and many, many who are working for the party are not. I have been offered positions with a view toward a candidacy. My calling is different.

Can you quote something from the Constitution Party web site or literature that makes any claim that we want a "theocracy" to rule America?


406 posted on 10/10/2006 9:11:37 AM PDT by Free Baptist
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