N. Korea: China on alert over a nuclear neighbour(PLA pouring into the border)

Sunday Times ^ | 10/08/06 | Michael Sheridan

[AmericanInTokyo]

China has no permanent friends.

China has no permanent enemies.

China has permanent interests.

[Seruzawa]

I'm more than happy to let the Chinese do it. If you've ever seen the way the NKs have fortified the border over the last 54 years you'd be happy too.

[AmericanInTokyo]

It is no less possible for COMMUNIST CHINA and COMMUNIST NORTH KOREA to be at each other's throats.--than it would be for Pol Pot's Cambodia (China-backed) and Le Duan's Socialist Republic of Vietnam (USSR-backed) to be at each others throats and even to fight a bloody war for well over five years.

None of these alliances in Asia are permanent.

Some people still check in occasionally to the TLR-inspired North Korea threads here, and write on FR as if China and North Korea are in total league and alliance, that this is still 1950. It is not and a lot has changed and much more will change.

Most if not all political analysts I know in the region know of and believe in the rift as of this time.

[sinoguy]

well,guys
don't be so hostile to china.

in fact,the current world order is not only good to u american,but also to china.
china also want to keep the current world order .
the only guy who wants to throw out the current order is N.K.,is the crazy Kim.
china and U.S. should stand together to copy with situation and keep the order,instead of distrust each other.

Kim is a crazy guy.
if u american were to get rid of him,most chinese people would be very glad to see it and applaud.
of course,at that time,chinese government would have to send some insagnificant scold to U.S in public for its allance treaty with N.K. ,but i am sure chinese government would be glad to stand by and relax itself in heart.

[Zack Nguyen]

Then, in front of the Chinese troops, one seized her and another speared her hand — the soft part between thumb and forefinger — with the point of a sharpened steel cable, which he twisted into a leash.

"She screamed just like a pig when we kill it at home in the village," the soldier later told his relative.

Such liberalization. I thought the Chinese were just this side of a democracy now, and we should feel free to spend billions without concern over human rights, as things were getting better all the time.

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Illegal aliens in China get sent home where they get a cable through the neck. Illegal aliens in America can protest, get free health care, pay no taxes, and can vote (if they don't get caught). UN Human Rights comission?

[AmericanInTokyo]

there are many many things about the prc i could go into, that disgust me, certainly about various policies.

But at least on this DPRK situation, I would have to say my discussion with some Chinese officials in parts of Asia convinced me that they were absolutely sold on the idea that Kim Jong il is a crazy nut who ruins all of Asia with his antics. In that sense the interests of China and USA merge somewhat. You do admit that if KJI falls, China would prefer a Pyongyang regime without nukes but full in the China orbit, correct? Just as the US would like to see a reunified Korea under a democratically elected, pro-Western administration.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Stating that China analysis has concluded America is their eventual enemy, is not hostility.

It is called reality. China is preparing for eventual conflict with America. We must not ignore that.

China can stop those preparations any time. They do not.

Are you from mainland China?

[monkeywrench]

No, the chicoms want a new world order with them on top, our control of major sea lanes finished, our influence over. Listen to their proxies talk. Statements from our leaders have been very under reported.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Ping imnidda.

Yogi eso Chunguk saram isumnidda.

[Zack Nguyen]

That would destroy the balance of power in northeast Asia that has kept the peace since the end of the second world war.

Except, of course, for that little skirmish we refer to as the "Korean War." Sheesh.

[monkeywrench]

The only ones allowed to post at this forum from china are chicom trolls.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I myself have nothing to fear in talking to these people here on FR or letting them talk. Sometimes, interesting 'things' can be learned. At least, we can get the latest of the Foreign Ministry talking points :-)

I would learn a lot more from them re: Chinese thinking on things than I could ever get at the NYT, WP, CNN or DU website.

[hershey]

China created the monster and deserves what she gets.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Actually, the Soviet Union was more integral in the actual formation of the monster known as the DPRK than Red China was, albeit China's direct participation with the KPA during the Korean War.

[AmericanInTokyo]

japanese news TV today reports JAPAN-CHINA teamwork to thwart North Korean nuke test. they refer to it as a 'renkei' play (an alliance teamed against North Korea):

[Zhang Fei]

The only ones allowed to post at this forum from china are chicom trolls.

I don't think China monitors English language forums - they'd need to pay far too much to get the English skills required.* The key focus is on Chinese language websites - notable Hong Kong and Taiwanese sites that are critical of the government. Epoch Times, the FLG publication, is banned in all languages. Most English-language conservative websites - including National Review and Weekly Standard - are, however, accessible from Chinese ISP's.

* Every Chinese schoolkid learns English. But they learn it about as well as the average American schoolkid learns Spanish. So English skills are scarce - and expensive.

[gogogodzilla]

Here's an idea...

China can have North Korea, providing they give up their claims on Taiwan.

[Always Independent]

I'd like to see the chicoms handle it also. I'd be curious to see them in action. They haven't fought any significant battles in over fifty years and the last time they tangled with anyone (vietnam) I believe they got their clock cleaned.

[gogogodzilla]

Mej gdw fu be.