[MNJohnnie]

Nonsense as usual. All ready have it in Iraq and Afgainistan. More hysteria from rabid know nothings

[avacado]

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Nonsense as usual. All ready have it in Iraq and Afgainistan. More hysteria from rabid know nothings
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Someone needs to show this clown where Israel and Turkey are located.

[Camerican]

Not sure what you mean by "it". If you mean democracy, it's at best a very fragile seed planted in both places and not yet taken root. If / when the U.S. pulls out of either country, I see democracy going out the door in less than a year.

The general understanding in Afghanistan is that Karzai is the mayor of Kabul... not the leader of the country. In Iraq, most of Baghdad remains outside of the control purportedly rendered from the Green Zone. Tribalism still dominates both countries. Afghanistan has the Tajik Northern Alliance and most of the rest of the country is Pashtun (Taliban). Even among those groups you have subgroups (i.e., sub tribes) run by warlords / opium growers / smugglers. As for Iraq, where to start? Kurds in the North, Sunnis, Shia. All tribes.

I remember hearing a quote once that illustrates the Arab tribal mindset (and I paraphrase) - "My country against your country, my tribe against your tribe, my town against your town, my family against your family, me against you." The tribe goes all the way down to the man.

Just a little non-tribal dissent for thought.

[ArmyTeach]

All ready have it in Iraq and Afghanistan. Well, yes and no. While a democratic superstructure has been put in place in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is struggling to maintain itself while 'tribalism' continues to rule the streets. Against my hopes, I sense that the push for democracy is losing steam.

[Gone GF]

"Nonsense as usual. All ready have it in Iraq and Afgainistan."

Don't agree with the article but I wouldn't hardly call what these two countries have Democracy. Long way to go on that account.