The truth about 'gay' pedophilia: Olivia St. John looks at research in light of Foley fiasco

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, October 7, 2006 | Olivia St. John

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Your question outlines the obvious distinction between my situation and a situation of abuse

That depends on whether the sole difference of a number creates trauma and constitutes abuse since that is all I asked about.

[montag813]

The largest clinical trial for this theory has already been conducted...what is the percentage of boys among children molested by Catholic priests? That will answer the question.

[ivyleaguebrat]

Perhaps it does. What do you think?

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

I was wondering if you had an unequivocal answer.
But it is obvious you are conflicted between logic and popular consensus in giving an opinion.
I don't blame you for that.

[Texas Jack]

Likewise, the pedophile priest - I was always amazed how the Catholic Church came under fire from the left for allowing homosexuals into the priesthood, and not the homosexuals for their pedophilia tendencies.

[ivyleaguebrat]

I don't give you an answer because I have no way of knowing the truth. I might as well flip a coin. That isn't equivocation, it's reasoned admission of ignorance.

[ivyleaguebrat]

Sigh.. shouldn't post just after waking up from a night out. I think the answer most likely to be true is that no, it is not just a numerical age difference that causes the trauma and thus constitutes abuse. It's probably a number of factors.. Familial relations, position of power/trust over victim, levels of coersion/consent, etc.

Society has decided a need to restrict underage sex, and has decided to do it mostly using the imperfect logic of ability ot consent.. You're right, I am "conflicted between logic and popular consensus" in arguing against the imperfect ability of consent scheme.

[freeper_peeper]

"I think...it is not just a numerical age difference that causes the trauma and thus constitutes abuse. It's probably a number of factors...Familial relations, position of power/trust over victim, levels of coercion/consent, etc.
Society has decided a need to restrict underage sex...."

1. "Society" has decided "a need" to restrict?

2. Is there such a thing as right or wrong in your thinking?

3. Do you know what a child is? A minor?

4. Is age a trivial factor in your mind?

5. Are you saying that if "familial relations" are good and a child and a relative consent, then psychological and physical harm won't necessarily result from sexual interaction?

6. And if the child "trusts" the older person and consents, then psychological and physical harm won't result. Is this what you're saying?

If this is what you believe, then there is absolutely no difference between the way you're thinking and the way a pedophile or molester of minors thinks on this issue.

I'm not saying you're a molester, but it would be helpful if you analyzed your own thinking on this. Because you're sounding like you'd fit in nicely at a NAMBLA parade.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding and you can explain?

Or perhaps I am understanding very well....

7. Which is it?

Please answer each numbered question directly if you could. A simple yes or no will suffice to keep this brief. I'm not meaning to offend, but I think a brief yes/no to those questions will help me to understand your position better.

[ivyleaguebrat]

1. yes, since that's what we do when we pass laws.. Biology equips us with the ability and desire to procreate at puberty; but to protect psychologically immature children from predation society has decided to legally establish a later age of consent.

2. of course there is.

3. In common usage, I always think of a child as someone who is between infancy and adolescence.. For our purposes though it's probably more like "not of age." Which in this case I guess would be either 18 or the age of consent, same definition as a minor.

4. Not quite sure what you mean.. Age difference in sex is not trivial unless both are adults.

5,6. You completely misunderstood what I said. He asked whether the trauma/damage of sexual abuse was related only to age. When I said "it's probably a number of factors...Familial relations, position of power/trust over victim, levels of coercion/consent" I meant the LEVEL of psychological damage would be INCREASED if the abuse were incestuous, if trust was betrayed, if it was forced/nonconsensual. Nothing in there was meant to legitimize statutory rape which is not incestuous, not a betrayal of trust, and not forced. He asked what might factor into the level of damage of abuse OTHER than age, I gave my best guesses.

7. You are misunderstanding.

[freeper_peeper]

Yes, I was misunderstanding. I'm sorry.

Thanks for your sincere reply and also for graciously answering my questions. Now I understand you better I think.

[Jorge]

This shouldn't be a big surprise.

Wasn't long ago NAMBLA actually used to participate in Gay Pride parades....
at least until they became an embarrassment to gay rights advocates.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

but to protect psychologically immature children from predation

You saying that psychologically immature 14-year-olds, such as your partner at the time, is not prey of other 14-year-olds because 14-year-olds are incapable of being predators because of their psychological immaturity? (Why would that make a difference to the one being preyed upon?)Or are you saying that some "predation" has no ill effects? It is very confusing....

Age difference in sex is not trivial unless both are adults.

Why? You keep going back and forth between that popular assertion and 'I don't know' when I ask if your partner had been 24 or 34?

[freeper_peeper]

Sex outside of wedlock is a big problem. Period.

And marriage is for two mature people, one man and one woman. Period.