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Greek divers lift WWII bomber wreckage - German Junkers-87 Stuka dive-bomber
AP on Yahoo ^ | 10/6/06 | Nicholas Paphitiis - ap

Posted on 10/06/2006 6:42:29 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

ATHENS, Greece - Greek military divers Friday successfully raised the wreckage of a German World War II Stuka bomber from the sea off the eastern island of Rhodes, the air force said.

The Junkers-87 dive-bomber was shot down in 1943 and will be conserved and displayed at the air force museum at an airport near Athens, air force spokesman Col. Ioannis Papageorgiou said.

Papageorgiou said there was no trace of the two airmen's bodies.

"The plane was raised a couple of hours ago, and I don't know yet whether there are any remains inside," he told The Associated Press.

He said part of the plane's tail section appeared to be missing.

The two-seater's wreckage was located two years ago by a trawler, which caught it in its nets seven miles offshore at a depth of 492 feet, and dragged it close to the island's southern coast.

Air force experts believe the plane was part of a Luftwaffe squadron operating from Rhodes that lost several Stukas to allied ships and aircraft on Oct. 9, 1943.

"Once we locate the serial number, we will be able to identify the plane, what squadron it belonged to and the crew," Papageorgiou said.

Fitted with a screaming siren for maximum psychological effect, the gull-winged, single-engine Stuka was a feared symbol of Nazi military power.

Used in action in the Spanish Civil War, it played a major role in the German invasions of Poland and France, but was outdated and severely outgunned by allied fighters by 1943.

Out of some 6,000 aircraft produced between 1936 and 1944, only two survive intact in museums, while the wrecks of three more Stukas have been salvaged.


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A German dive bomber Ju 87 Stuka flies over an unknown location in this November 1, 1940 file photo taken during World War II. Greek military divers Friday successfully raised the wreckage of a German World War II Stuka bomber from the sea off the eastern island of Rhodes, the air force said. (AP Photo)


1 posted on 10/06/2006 6:42:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Why would they need 2 crew members. Did the guy in the back seat hold a pistol to the head of the pilot?


2 posted on 10/06/2006 6:47:44 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: tubebender

he was a tailgunner, look at the photo.


3 posted on 10/06/2006 6:48:26 PM PDT by omega4179 (Islam 14 Centuries of Jihad and counting./'Rats want to turn clock back to 2000)
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To: tubebender
One to crank the siren, one to fly. :-)

whole bunch of pics at luftwaffepics.com

4 posted on 10/06/2006 6:53:41 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: tubebender

The Russians had a similar aircraft with one pilot -- the Il-2 Sturmovik. Early in the war, it was good for one mission, two at most because there was no rear gunner and the Germans slaughtered them. The Russians quickly added a rear gunner to the Sturmovik.


5 posted on 10/06/2006 6:54:43 PM PDT by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: NormsRevenge

By far the most successful Stuka pilot was Hans-Ulrich Rudel. He flew 2,530 combat missions (not all in Stukas, though), destroyed 519 tanks, 7 landing craft, 150 self-propelled guns, 4 armored trains and 800 other vehicles. Shot down or force-landed 32 times, wounded five times and finally lost the lower part of one leg, but continued to fly until the end when he flew to an American air base and surrendered. Fortunately for us, all or most of this destruction fell upon Russian forces, resulting in Rudel having a 100,000 ruble reward placed on his head by Stalin.


6 posted on 10/06/2006 7:03:43 PM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: NormsRevenge

One the most recognizable profiles in the history of flight....and one of the most intimidating for it's time.


7 posted on 10/06/2006 7:04:04 PM PDT by zarf
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To: 19th LA Inf

for the forum:

Stuka Pilot (War and Warrior)
by Hans-Ulrich Rudel

http://www.amazon.com/Stuka-Pilot-Warrior-Hans-Ulrich-Rudel/dp/0939482045/sr=1-4/qid=1160186806/ref=sr_1_4/002-2346146-6554425?ie=UTF8&s=books


8 posted on 10/06/2006 7:09:13 PM PDT by VOA
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To: 19th LA Inf
By far the most successful Stuka pilot was Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

He also was consulted when the A-10 Warthog was under development.

An ardent Nazi by the way...

9 posted on 10/06/2006 7:10:32 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: NormsRevenge; All
My brother's flying career was interrupted by the Lufwaffle over Weisbaden Germany on Aug 15 1944. He survived and is alive and well in Fresno CA...
10 posted on 10/06/2006 7:11:31 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: 19th LA Inf

I guess he did his part.


11 posted on 10/06/2006 7:41:18 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: omega4179
he was a tailgunner, look at the photo.

I wonder how often the tailgunner shot up the tail...
12 posted on 10/06/2006 7:46:29 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I had a gas engine flying model of this plane when I was a kid. Had the Cox 0.49 engine and dropped a bomb by lanyard control. It was wa-a-a-ay cool in the late '60's. It would not have been in 1939.


13 posted on 10/06/2006 7:57:58 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: 19th LA Inf
"By far the most successful Stuka pilot was Hans-Ulrich Rudel."

His book "Stuka Pilot" (oddly enough!) was a great read!
That and a couple other such, including "Commando" made me realize there were some true heroes on the other side, too.

(On the Japanese side, now, well, let's just say we didn't ang near enough war criminals)

14 posted on 10/06/2006 8:03:57 PM PDT by Redbob
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Does anybody know what Stuka means? Some sort of hawk perhaps, it looks like one.

Also, I wonder how the Stuka compares to other dive bombers, say the US Navy SBD. Both had tail gunners. Which was the best WW2 dive bomber?


15 posted on 10/06/2006 8:11:45 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: 19th LA Inf

I read Rudel's book years ago. He was an amazing man.

What I remember most was when he landed on the muddy Russian steppe to rescue a shot-down comrade and couldn't take off again because of the mud clogging up his wheel pants. He, his gunner and friends got chased by the Russian army for miles, had to shed his clothes and swim the Dneiper river (this was wintertime!) Because of his superb conditioning, he made it across whereas his comrades drowned. Finally, after several days of dodging Russian patrols looking for him, Rudel made it back to German lines.

A great read for any WWII nut.


16 posted on 10/06/2006 8:19:45 PM PDT by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I had a gas engine flying model of this plane when I was a kid. Had the Cox 0.49 engine

Me too! I think I broke it just playing with it though.

17 posted on 10/06/2006 8:21:16 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Be a good Democrat and turn the lights out as you leave the ME)
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To: NormsRevenge

It doesn't seem like there would be much left of the aircraft unless it was in fresh water or very deep in the ocean.


18 posted on 10/06/2006 8:24:09 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: NormsRevenge
The Luftwaffe had its own ministry in the early years of the Third Reich and came into existence formally in 1935 when the Treaty Of Versailles that prohibited a German Air Force was formally scrapped. The Polish Campaign in 1939 saw the first true test of air power, something only hinted at the close of World War I. The Battle Of Britain in 1940 revealed its military limits just as the experience in Poland showed its possibilities as the military weapon of the future.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

19 posted on 10/06/2006 8:28:10 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: sasportas
"Stuka" is from Sturzkampfflugzeug.

Essentially, German for "dive bomber".

20 posted on 10/06/2006 8:28:47 PM PDT by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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