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Kerik, Chertoff Could Hurt Rudy Giuliani In 2008 (personnel disasters a problem)
THE AMERICAN PROSPECT All rights reserved. ^ | Feb. 15, 2006 | Greg Sargent

Posted on 10/06/2006 2:49:01 PM PDT by Liz

What do Bernard Kerik and Michael Chertoff have in common?

Both have proven to be disastrous choices to head the Department of Homeland Security. But that's not the only thing they share.

Both were enthusiastically championed for this all-important post by Rudolph Giuliani. As it happens, Giuliani was largely responsible for putting each man on the political map and helping launch their careers. Kerik was once Giuliani's driver. Giuliani subsequently made him his city corrections chief and, eventually, his top cop.

Kerik's 2004 nomination as Homeland Security chief was aggressively pushed by Giuliani, which helped persuade Bush to take a flyer on nominating him.

We all remember how well that turned out. Kerik's nomination promptly imploded after a host of ethical and financial problems surfaced, and Giuliani subsequently had to apologize to the president. Chertoff, too, owes a great deal to Giuliani.

When the former mayor was U.S. Attorney in the 1980s, he hired Chertoff as a prosecutor and mentored him. Chertoff sent a bunch of wise guys to the slammer, effectively launching his career, and last year, Giuliani was gung-ho about the choice of Chertoff for head of Homeland Security.

Now Republicans in the House are about to launch a searing report about Katrina that demonstrates that the choice of Chertoff has been nothing short of disastrous.

As yesterday's Times puts it, Chertoff "drew some of the most scathing criticism in the report" for failing to anticipate the damage the storm would do and failing to determine rapidly that the storm had breached a major levee. Is Giuliani to blame for Chertoff? Not really.

After the Kerik fiasco, Giuliani understandably didn't appear to play a role the selection of Chertoff. Still, Giuliani wholeheartedly endorsed Chertoff. As he told the Houston Chronicle at the time: "Having already assumed a great deal of responsibility in the investigations of al Qaeda, Michael Chertoff has made clear his commitment to keeping America safe. He'll be a superb Department of Homeland Security secretary."

The fact that Giuliani championed both these men for this job should tell us something about his judgment.

His presidential campaign, assuming he runs, will rest largely on the same rationale that transformed him into a national figure to begin with: He led New York in the aftermath of September 11. If you think Bush's reliance on Sept. 11 is a tad over-the-top, wait until you see Giuliani in action.

He's given many, many speeches since leaving office, and in them, he likes to urge his audiences to remember Sept. 11. What Giuliani really means by this, of course, is that audiences shouldn't forget his performance in the aftermath of that day.

It's not an overstatement to say that Giuliani wants audiences to see him as nothing less than the primary living, breathing embodiment of the city's — and the country's — ability to rally after the Twin Towers disaster.

Now, however, thanks to the implosion of Kerik and the immense failure of Chertoff, these audiences may end up remembering something else about Giuliani. It's clear that the mere fact that Rudy happened to be mayor that day — and his undeniably admirable performance after the attack — has not translated into an ability to recognize in people the qualities needed to carry out the job of protecting the homeland from all manner of catastrophes, man-made and otherwise.

Being able to pick the right person for a job as important as this one is, of course, a rather crucial trait in a president. Giuliani's 2008 primary foes will likely do all they can to make sure that audiences don't forget this.

There's a larger point here. Both Bush and Rudy chose Kerik, and now Chertoff, largely because of one reason: They appeared to see the nature of the terrorist threat in exactly the same light as Bush did. Kerik was police commissioner on 9-11, and supposedly bonded with Bush atop the smoking rubble; Chertoff, as assistant attorney general, was widely criticized for helping implement the Bush administration's policy of rounding up hundreds of Arab and South Asian men without charges for months after the disaster.

In both cases, that narrow way of evaluating a potential head of Homeland Security led Bush, and Rudy, to overlook the enormous flaws these two men possessed — in Kerik's case, his many ethical problems, and in Chertoff's case, his well-known lack of managerial experience.

Clearly, then, a willingness to see the terrorist threat as a dire one is hardly by itself a guarantor of success in a Homeland Security chief or, for that matter, in a president. If Republicans — and the rest of us — keep that in mind in 2008, that could bode ill for a man who's all but certain to try to sell himself as presidential material largely on the basis of his actions in the aftermath of that terrible day.

Greg Sargent, a contributing editor at New York magazine, writes bi-weekly for The American Prospect Online.

Reprinted with permission from The American Prospect, 5 Broad Street, Boston, MA 02109. All rights reserved.


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Mayor Rudy gave liberals high-paid city jobs including the sons of Liberal Party honcho Ray Harding. One Harding---Russel---stole the city blind, giving himself unauthorized salary raises, stealing electronic equipment, enjoying gay porn, internet child porn, and traveling with gay friends on the taxpayers' dime.

When appraised of the ripoff, and that Russel was being prosecuted, Rudy said he "felt bad" for the Harding family (scoff). Rudy never never deviated from the liberal drill and dared not utter a discouraging word about the depraved Russel, lest Rudy alienate big buck liberal donors and voters.

1 posted on 10/06/2006 2:49:04 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

Could we survive Nov 7 2006 first before starting the interparty 2008 bloodletting PLEASE?


2 posted on 10/06/2006 2:51:23 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: Liz

And what will Bill Clinton do for Hillary's chances?


3 posted on 10/06/2006 2:52:04 PM PDT by msnimje (Seriously, if it REALLY were a religion of PEACE, would they have to label it as such?)
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To: MNJohnnie

And Hillary will not be hurt from those pictures of her at Yale Black Panther Parties.


4 posted on 10/06/2006 2:52:36 PM PDT by Welike ike
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To: Liz
Okay......................,then Bill's sexual exploits hurt Hillary, Filegate hurts Hillary, Whitewater hurts Hillary, Chinagate hurts Hillary, having the IRS audit her political enemies hurts Hillary, etc.

It goes both ways.
5 posted on 10/06/2006 2:53:19 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: MNJohnnie

The Giuliani and McCain people started campaigning here months ago. Maybe you should tell them to wait.


6 posted on 10/06/2006 2:53:25 PM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I second that!


7 posted on 10/06/2006 2:54:18 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: Liz

At this point in time, Rudy, warts and all, would win it all, despite all the slime attacks.


8 posted on 10/06/2006 2:54:24 PM PDT by tkathy (The Real Republican (RR) way is sticking to the issues and not finger pointing.)
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To: Liz
Well, well, well.

The American Prospect...

History and Mission

"The American Prospect was founded in 1990 as an authoritative magazine of liberal ideas, committed to a just society, an enriched democracy, and effective liberal politics. Robert Kuttner, Robert Reich, and Paul Starr launched the magazine initially as a quarterly."

Is this what we can expect from the Rudy bashers?? Dragging articles from liberal venues onto this site?? Or is this just more proof that the left and the paleocon right are in bed together?

9 posted on 10/06/2006 2:54:27 PM PDT by veronica
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To: TommyDale

Umm it was an open ended invitation, it was not directed at any one particular set of cheerleaders.


10 posted on 10/06/2006 2:57:38 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: Liz

Good grief Liz, it's been obvious that you hate Giuliani but do you need to use lefty sources to discredit him? That smells of desperation.


11 posted on 10/06/2006 2:58:24 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Liz
Chertoff, as assistant attorney general, was widely criticized for helping implement the Bush administration's policy of rounding up hundreds of Arab and South Asian men without charges for months after the disaster.

I agreed with that.

12 posted on 10/06/2006 3:02:38 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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"At this point in time, Rudy, warts and all, would win it all, despite all the slime attacks."

Thankfully the election isn't until 2008. That should be plenty of time to expose more warts.

13 posted on 10/06/2006 3:03:03 PM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: JeanS
"That smells of desperation."

This is a CONSERVATIVE forum. If there is a smell of desperation, it is the liberals from New York trying to push Rudy Giuliani down our throats two years early. Well, actually that could be Rudy's soiled underwear.

14 posted on 10/06/2006 3:04:48 PM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: JeanS
Good grief Liz, it's been obvious that you hate Giuliani but do you need to use lefty sources to discredit him? That smells of desperation.

It smells alright. What next? Anti-Rudy articles from Daily Kos and DU?

15 posted on 10/06/2006 3:08:56 PM PDT by veronica
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Chertoff, as assistant attorney general, was widely criticized for helping implement the Bush administration's policy of rounding up hundreds of Arab and South Asian men without charges for months after the disaster.

This is supposed to be a criticism??? ;)

16 posted on 10/06/2006 3:11:32 PM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica
I agreed with that policy of rounding up those possible terrorists after 9/11 100%.
17 posted on 10/06/2006 3:13:36 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: veronica
I am a New Yorker, although I no longer live there. As to Guiliani, he might well have been the best Mayor we ever had (don't tell that to Jimmie Walker). However, as a Presidential candidate, he does not, in my opinion, make the grade. He is pro-abort, and FOR gun control. I sense he will not or cannot win any Southern states. In a lurch, if he is the nominee, I will HAVE to vote for him.

But I can assure you, I won't like, not one bit.

18 posted on 10/06/2006 3:15:28 PM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Me too!


19 posted on 10/06/2006 3:28:12 PM PDT by veronica
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To: tenthirteen

He'll win the Southern vote. Are they going to vote for Hillary Clinton? That would be cutting off their noses to spite their face.


20 posted on 10/06/2006 3:42:57 PM PDT by RichardW
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