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The uncomfortable truth about school shootings
Buckeye Firearms Association ^ | October 4, 2006 | Ken Hanson

Posted on 10/05/2006 9:42:48 AM PDT by OH2Am

In a remarkable moment of candor, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell today acknowledged that stronger gun laws could not have prevented the horrible shooting at the Amish school in Lancaster County.

Rendell, a staunch gun control advocate, admitted, “I believe with all my heart that we need more gun control” during a live press conference. But he also acknowledged that tougher gun laws would not have prevented gunman Charles Carl Roberts IV from carrying out his deadly attack, noting, “You can make all the changes you want, but you can never stop a random act of violence by someone intent on taking his own life.”

Despite this, due to the current rash of school shootings, America is going to be inundated with lists from media talking heads and/or government taskforces/hearings (including a taskforce called by President Bush for next week), each list itemizing steps that need to be taken to protect the children.

So, while media talking heads broadcast their lists suggesting less violent video games and more anti-bully policies, I figured I would chime in with the one measure that clearly will have an impact on school shootings: Arm and train a select group of volunteer teachers in each building.

(Excerpt) Read more at buckeyefirearms.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amish; association; buckeye; children; edrendell; firearms; guncontrol; lancaster; media; pennsylvania; schoolshooting; talkingheads; workplaceshootings
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1 posted on 10/05/2006 9:42:49 AM PDT by OH2Am
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To: OH2Am

One thing you notice reading history books, is that Jack the Ripper never owned a gun.....


2 posted on 10/05/2006 9:44:56 AM PDT by tomzz
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Soul control needed.


3 posted on 10/05/2006 9:48:55 AM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: OH2Am

This articles is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. But can we find the necessary teachers with all the liberals brainwashing our kids. There might not be a "gun-friendly" conservative in a given school.


4 posted on 10/05/2006 9:49:22 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: OH2Am
Arm and train a select group of volunteer teachers in each building.

That is the best solution. It makes sense, it won't be done.

Govenrment will do what it always does, implement more of what hasn't worked.

5 posted on 10/05/2006 9:49:56 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: tomzz; butternut_squash_bisque

"“You can make all the changes you want, but you can never stop a random act of violence by someone intent on taking his own life.”"




the difference is, this was NOT random

it was well though out, premeditated and he would have found another way if there was no such thing as guns


6 posted on 10/05/2006 9:49:57 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: OH2Am

One of the TV magazine shows had Bums getting beaten to death by punks with unregistered baseball bats.


7 posted on 10/05/2006 9:56:57 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: sure_fine

"Fat Eddie" Rendell telling the truth, for once? Must still be a burning sensation on his lying tongue.


8 posted on 10/05/2006 9:57:23 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque
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To: OH2Am
Rendell, a staunch gun control advocate, admitted, "I believe with all my heart that we need more gun control" during a live press conference.

But he also acknowledged that tougher gun laws would not have prevented gunman Charles Carl Roberts IV from carrying out his deadly attack...

He needs to make up his mind.

9 posted on 10/05/2006 9:58:32 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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He needs to make up his mind.

You assume liberals have minds.

10 posted on 10/05/2006 10:02:56 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ( Arm the Pilots. Arm the Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

PING!


11 posted on 10/05/2006 10:19:09 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque
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To: OH2Am
But he also acknowledged that tougher gun laws would not have prevented gunman Charles Carl Roberts IV from carrying out his deadly attack, noting, “You can make all the changes you want, but you can never stop a random act of violence by someone intent on taking his own life.”

If the schools were defended, Mr Crazy would never have gone there in the first place.

Even Israel doesn't have this problem.

12 posted on 10/05/2006 10:23:11 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DumpsterDiver

How about this as a gun control argument. Lets look at Canada, France, England or most other first world nations. They have just as many guns when it comes to rifles, etc however they don't have nearly the same amount of hang guns. I assume based on the numbers I have seen that in other first world countries rifles and shotguns make of the difference for the lack of handguns. Also they have a much lower rate of death as a result of gun crime and even assults of other types such as stabbing, beating, etc.

So if you reduce the total pool of handguns without actually changing the numbers of guns owned by the populace you have now proportionally reduced the number of deaths as a result of Gun crime, even if the total number of assults stays the same.


13 posted on 10/05/2006 10:25:49 AM PDT by sedwards
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So if you reduce the total pool of handguns without actually changing the numbers of guns owned by the populace you have now proportionally reduced the number of deaths as a result of Gun crime, even if the total number of assults stays the same.

I'd be against any reduction of handguns. The older I get the less I want to be lugging around a rifle or a shotgun. Besides, I'm partial to revolvers.

14 posted on 10/05/2006 10:30:57 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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“You can make all the changes you want, but you can never stop a random act of violence by someone intent on taking his own life.”

Applies to Islamonazi jihadists -- as well as to wacko, suicide-by-cop madmen like the recent examples...

Gun control will only help either sort of terrorist...

15 posted on 10/05/2006 10:32:49 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: DumpsterDiver

Don't get me wrong I know of someone whos life was saved because they had a handgun themselves when someone else was using a handgun to rob them. I'm simply stating that for all of the anti-gun control argument you can't dismiss the idea that a total reduction in the number of guns or in the case of the swiss, a reduction in the amount of ammunition accessable to the populace would reduce the overall amount of death, even if violent assults stayed constant.

Or to put it another way, I'm pro-gun because I live in the United States but if I was in another first world country I would not want the guns to be more accessable. When I was in Frankfurts RedLight district I witnessed a confrontation that, had the two parties had easy access to guns, I know would have ended in a shoot out.


16 posted on 10/05/2006 10:43:49 AM PDT by sedwards
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Rendell, a staunch gun control advocate, admitted, "I believe with all my heart that we need more gun control" during a live press conference.

But he also acknowledged that tougher gun laws would not have prevented gunman Charles Carl Roberts IV from carrying out his deadly attack...




He believes with all his heart that we need more gun control and yet he acknowledges that tougher gun laws would not have prevented this. What's wrong with this picture?

The people continue to elect politicians with these reasoning abilities to positions of responsibility?

Scary! Very scary!


17 posted on 10/05/2006 11:10:03 AM PDT by HannagansBride
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To: tomzz; OH2Am
***One thing you notice reading history books, is that Jack the Ripper never owned a gun.....***

One thing I like to do is read popular history. Schoolhouse murders are nothing new. An entire school was wiped out with all the children murdered in 1755 Pennsylvania.
An entire wagon load of children were murdered in 1812.
Another school in Texas got hit in the 1860's.
then in the 1880's there was the crazy man in Oklahoma who killed schoolchildren and mailmen.

Set down and go through some of the old newspapers of the past, you will be surprised how many murders were committed against children.

Why we don't hear about them? News traveled slow in the past.
A school house massacre takes place way in the past.
1 week later the entire county knows.
1 month the entire state knows.
3 months it finally makes the national papers.

Today, with TV and the internet,we have instant knowledge of such things before the blood is even dry, and Sarah Brady dances in the blood.
18 posted on 10/05/2006 11:26:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter))
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To: OH2Am
I seem to recall that school shootings only got started after Leonardo DiCaprio shot up his classroom in The Basketball Diaries.

Of course movies and TV influence us. If they didn't, advertising agencies that specialize in television ads would go out of business and companies wouldn't pay millions of dollars for product placements in movies.

19 posted on 10/05/2006 11:28:37 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: sedwards
I'm simply stating that for all of the anti-gun control argument you can't dismiss the idea that a total reduction in the number of guns or in the case of the swiss, a reduction in the amount of ammunition accessable to the populace would reduce the overall amount of death, even if violent assults stayed constant.

I'm not so sure if it would reduce the number of deaths by much. It might cut down on a few deaths that occur during domestic sqabbles or at drunken parties, but I'm a 90-pound weakling and without a firearm I would be on the losing end of any confrontation. In case of a physical assault, I don't like the idea of might makes right.

Or to put it another way, I'm pro-gun because I live in the United States but if I was in another first world country I would not want the guns to be more accessable.

I'm pro gun because I like having an "equalizer" within easy reach. As for other countries/cultures, well, I don't really care what they do. :^)

20 posted on 10/05/2006 11:33:30 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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