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'We had abortions': 5,000 on Ms. [magazine] petition
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | October 4, 2006 | DAVID CRARY

Posted on 10/04/2006 5:33:24 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70

NEW YORK -- As the abortion debate rages, Ms. magazine is releasing its fall issue next week with a cover story titled ''We Had Abortions'' that lists names of thousands of women who signed a petition making that declaration.

The publication coincides with what the abortion-rights movement considers a watershed moment.

Abortion access in many states is being curtailed, activists are uncertain about the stance of the U.S. Supreme Court, and South Dakotans vote Nov. 7 on whether to ban virtually all abortions, even in cases of rape and incest.

''All this seems very dire,'' said Eleanor Smeal, president of the Ms.-publishing Feminist Majority Foundation. ''We have to get away from what the politicians are saying and get women's lives back in the picture.''

Even before the issue reaches newsstands Oct. 10, anti-abortion activists have been decrying it. Judie Brown, president of the American Life League, wrote in a commentary that when she saw a Ms. announcement of the project, "the evil practically jumped right off the page."

Ms. executive editor Katherine Spillar said more than 5,000 women have signed the petition so far -- heeding its appeal to declare they are unashamed of the choice they made. The magazine itself had room for only 1,016 names, she said Tuesday, but all of them will be viewable online as Ms. encourages other women to continue adding their signatures.

Ms. says it will send the petition to Congress, the White House and state legislators.

The signatories include Ms. founder Gloria Steinem, comedian Carol Leifer, and actresses Kathy Najimy and Amy Brenneman, but most are not famous names.

Tyffine Jones, 27, of Jackson, Miss., said she had no hesitation about signing -- although she lives in a state where restrictions on abortion are tough and all but one abortion clinic has been closed.

Jones said she got an abortion 10 years ago -- enduring harassment from protesters when she entered the clinic -- in order to finish high school. She went on to become the first member of her family to graduate from college, and hopes at some point to attend law school.

"I wanted to do something bigger with myself -- I didn't want to be stopped by anything," she said in a telephone interview.

Another signatory, Debbie Findling of San Francisco, described her difficult decision last year to have an abortion after tests showed that she would bear a son with Down syndrome.

"I felt it was my right to make the decision, but having that right doesn't make the decision any easier," she said. "It was the hardest decision I've ever made."

Findling, 42, is married, with a 5-year-old daughter, and has been trying to get pregnant again while pursuing her career as a philanthropic foundation executive.

She says too many of her allies in the abortion-rights movement tend to minimize, at least publicly, the psychological impact of abortion.

"It's emotionally devastating," she said in a phone interview. "I don't regret my decision -- but I regret having been put in the position to have to make that choice. It's something I'll live with for the rest of my life."

Findling strongly supports the Ms. petition, and believes women who have had abortions need to be more open about their decisions. She has written an essay about her own experience, and plans to include it in an anthology she hopes to publish next year.

Ms. mounted this kind of petition drive when it was first published. Its debut issue in 1972 included a manifesto signed by 53 women -- many of them well-known -- declaring that they had undergone abortions despite state laws outlawing the procedure.

The next year, the Supreme Court issued its Roe v. Wade decision establishing abortion rights nationwide. Some abortion-rights activists are concerned that Roe could be overturned, either by the current court or if President Bush has the opportunity to appoint one more justice.

Smeal said Ms. staffers called the women who signed the petition to verify their information and be sure they were willing to have their names in print.

"The women thanked us for doing this," Smeal said. "They wanted to tell their stories."


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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; Gelato

The stain on Old Glory

To take God's greatest gift
Of a new human being
And treat them worse than garbage
It's an evil thing

They're made to be loved
For us to have and hold
More precious than diamonds
Or the finest gold

This blight upon humanity
With its frightening toll
Is our national shame
It is staining our souls

EV


101 posted on 10/05/2006 8:52:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (What man doesn't know about God's creation is still enough to fill a universe...)
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To: EternalVigilance; cpforlife.org; cgk; apackof2; wagglebee; weegee; Baynative; Victoria Delsoul; ...
Our National Anthem's latter two verses (all four verses are in blue) are movingly poignant in the context of this discussion thread....




All Four Stanzas

By Isaac Asimov

Introductory Note. Unless you're already well acquainted with our "national anthem," this interesting piece by the late Isaac Asimov will be an eye-opener. It was for me. It's especially appropriate at a time when there is much talk of tossing out this difficult-to-sing and difficult-to-comprehend old song in favor of something that better suits Ray Charles' voice. You'll understand the song much better after you read Mr. Asimov's explanation.--Hardly Waite, Gazette Senior Editor.



I have a weakness--I am crazy, absolutely nuts, about our national anthem.

The words are difficult and the tune is almost impossible, but frequently when I'm taking a shower I sing it with as much power and emotion as I can. It shakes me up every time.

I was once asked to speak at a luncheon. Taking my life in my hands, I announced I was going to sing our national anthem--all four stanzas.

This was greeted with loud groans. One man closed the door to the kitchen, where the noise of dishes and cutlery was loud and distracting. "Thanks, Herb," I said.

"That's all right," he said. "It was at the request of the kitchen staff."

I explained the background of the anthem and then sang all four stanzas.

Let me tell you, those people had never heard it before--or had never really listened. I got a standing ovation. But it was not me; it was the anthem.

More recently, while conducting a seminar, I told my students the story of the anthem and sang all four stanzas. Again there was a wild ovation and prolonged applause. And again, it was the anthem and not me.

So now let me tell you how it came to be written.

In 1812, the United States went to war with Great Britain, primarily over freedom of the seas. We were in the right. For two years, we held off the British, even though we were still a rather weak country. Great Britain was in a life and death struggle with Napoleon. In fact, just as the United States declared war, Napoleon marched off to invade Russia. If he won, as everyone expected, he would control Europe, and Great Britain would be isolated. It was no time for her to be involved in an American war.

At first, our seamen proved better than the British. After we won a battle on Lake Erie in 1813, the American commander, Oliver Hazard Perry, sent the message "We have met the enemy and they are ours." However, the weight of the British navy beat down our ships eventually. New England, hard-hit by a tightening blockade, threatened secession.

Meanwhile, Napoleon was beaten in Russia and in 1814 was forced to abdicate. Great Britain now turned its attention to the United States, launching a three-pronged attack. The northern prong was to come down Lake Champlain toward New York and seize parts of New England. The southern prong was to go up the Mississippi, take New Orleans and paralyze the west. The central prong was to head for the mid-Atlantic states and then attack Baltimore, the greatest port south of New York. If Baltimore was taken, the nation, which still hugged the Atlantic coast, could be split in two. The fate of the United States, then, rested to a large extent on the success or failure of the central prong.

The British reached the American coast, and on August 24, 1814, took Washington, D. C. Then they moved up the Chesapeake Bay toward Baltimore. On September 12, they arrived and found 1000 men in Fort McHenry, whose guns controlled the harbor. If the British wished to take Baltimore, they would have to take the fort.

On one of the British ships was an aged physician, William Beanes, who had been arrested in Maryland and brought along as a prisoner. Francis Scott Key, a lawyer and friend of the physician, had come to the ship to negotiate his release. The British captain was willing, but the two Americans would have to wait. It was now the night of September 13, and the bombardment of Fort McHenry was about to start.

As twilight deepened, Key and Beanes saw the American flag flying over Fort McHenry. Through the night, they heard bombs bursting and saw the red glare of rockets. They knew the fort was resisting and the American flag was still flying. But toward morning the bombardment ceased, and a dread silence fell. Either Fort McHenry had surrendered and the British flag flew above it, or the bombardment had failed and the American flag still flew.

As dawn began to brighten the eastern sky, Key and Beanes stared out at the fort, tyring to see which flag flew over it. He and the physician must have asked each other over and over, "Can you see the flag?"

After it was all finished, Key wrote a four stanza poem telling the events of the night. Called "The Defence of Fort M'Henry," it was published in newspapers and swept the nation. Someone noted that the words fit an old English tune called "To Anacreon in Heaven" --a difficult melody with an uncomfortably large vocal range. For obvious reasons, Key's work became known as "The Star Spangled Banner," and in 1931 Congress declared it the official anthem of the United States.

Now that you know the story, here are the words. Presumably, the old doctor is speaking. This is what he asks Key

Oh! say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?

And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
Oh! say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

"Ramparts," in case you don't know, are the protective walls or other elevations that surround a fort. The first stanza asks a question. The second gives an answer

On the shore, dimly seen thro' the mist of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep.
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?

Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream
'Tis the star-spangled banner. Oh! long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!



"The towering steep" is again, the ramparts. The bombardment has failed, and the British can do nothing more but sail away, their mission a failure.

In the third stanza, I feel Key allows himself to gloat over the American triumph. In the aftermath of the bombardment, Key probably was in no mood to act otherwise.

During World War II, when the British were our staunchest allies, this third stanza was not sung. However, I know it, so here it is

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footstep's pollution.

No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.



The fourth stanza, a pious hope for the future, should be sung more slowly than the other three and with even deeper feeling.

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation,
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n - rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserved us a nation.

Then conquer we must, for our cause is just,
And this be our motto--"In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

I hope you will look at the national anthem with new eyes. Listen to it, the next time you have a chance, with new ears.

And don't let them ever take it away.

--Isaac Asimov, March 1991

102 posted on 10/05/2006 9:30:46 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: MotleyGirl70
I'm currently writing (not emailing) The Country Springs Hotel in Waukesha county (just west of Milwaukee) and thanking them for having this wonderful event for kids with special needs.

Great idea. I'll do the same and encourage friends to do likewise. Thanks.

103 posted on 10/05/2006 10:56:04 PM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Country Springs Hotel
2810 Golf Road
Pewaukee, WI USA 53072


104 posted on 10/05/2006 10:58:45 PM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
OK, let me explain. Back when dirt was created, Gloria was considered hot. She was the womens libber who wanted men as sex objects.
105 posted on 10/05/2006 11:05:28 PM PDT by Samwise (All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.)
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To: MotleyGirl70
I'm currently writing (not emailing) The Country Springs Hotel in Waukesha county (just west of Milwaukee) and thanking them for having this wonderful event for kids with special needs.

,,, good one.

106 posted on 10/06/2006 4:10:10 AM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: GovernmentShrinker
That's true. People terminate their disabled unborn for a spectrum of reasons:
107 posted on 10/06/2006 7:26:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Oh, no offense. That was a joke. Sort of.)
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To: mvpel

We got our son from Russia, too! God bless you! When people ask how much it cost, we always say, "Less than our vinyl siding."


108 posted on 10/06/2006 7:29:22 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Like him? We ~LOVE~ him.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

These 5000 women had abortions, which means at least 5000 deaths. That's more than 9/11. OBL would be proud of that record I imagine.


109 posted on 10/06/2006 7:30:36 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (Sixty percent of all people understand statistics. The other half are clueless.)
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To: TUAN_JIM
"Is someone who performs an evil act evil, even if he has been brainwashed to believe that what he is doing is right?"

The degree of moral responsibility can vary, of course, depending on how much knowledge the woman had of what she was doing, and how much freedom from coercion (e.g. parents insisting on abortion "or else").

I'd caution against using the term "brainwashed" so loosely.

Brainwashing is a method that uses coercive and traumatic techniques such as drugs, sleep deprivation, exposure to heat and cold, hunger, and other physical duress to convince a person to abandon some of their basic beliefs and adopt the beliefs of the indoctrinator.

The term xi nao(Chinese, literally "to wash the brain") was first applied to methodologies of coercive persuasion which the Maoists used in the "reconstruction" of the so-called feudal thought patterns of Chinese citizens raised under prerevolutionary regimes.

Practically nobody in the USA is ever brainwashed. Most of us act with a significant degree of freedom to do what we know is wrong.

110 posted on 10/06/2006 7:39:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"No pregnant woman is being OFFERED the opportunity to end her pregnancy based on the non-foolproof screening test"

I was. It happens.

111 posted on 10/06/2006 7:42:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: DennisR
"Jones said she got an abortion 10 years ago -- enduring harassment from protesters when she entered the clinic -- in order to finish high school."

The Nurturing Network, founded by Mary Cunningham Agee eighteen years ago, is an international charitable organization with over 30,000 volunteer member resources that provide for the practical needs of women facing crisis pregnancy. They specialize in helping high school, college, and University women attain their educational goals and find good jobs.

I feel sorry for this girl if nobody told her about the resources that are out there. I also question why she didn't go looking for resources (there are THOUSANDS of Pregnancy-Aid centers, I daresay there's at least one in every phonebook in the United States and Canada) --- rather than take the irrevocable, destructive step of killing her own unborn child.

So much "this is my story" stuff is just rationalization. Women with children finish high school and college. My God, it happens all the time.

Ms Magazine wants us to think that a woman can handle the Presidency, but can't be expected to handle a pregnancy.

112 posted on 10/06/2006 7:56:20 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

As a counter to this madness may I suggest going to HopeAfterAbortion.com for a different perspective.


113 posted on 10/06/2006 8:23:56 AM PDT by redangus
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I have trouble believing that. Any doctor who advised a patient to do that, or who performed an abortion knowing the patient was doing it based on the belief that her positive triple screen meant she was carrying a Down Syndrome fetus, would be asking for a colossal and losing malpractice suit, followed by career-ending uninsurability, if the patient actually acted on that advice. Just because a doctor tells a patient after a positive triple screen that abortion is an option, does not mean the doctor is suggesting that no further testing needs to be done to make that decision.

The triple screen is like a mammogram, a first-pass screening method. If the mammogram finds a small lump, it makes sense to remind the woman that IF the lump turns out to be cancerous, mastectomy and chemotherapy are options that will likely take care of the problem -- not pleasant options, but options. But no doctor would recommend that the patient go ahead and have a mastectomy, without first doing a biopsy to find out whether the lump actually is cancerous.


114 posted on 10/06/2006 2:37:58 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mockingbyrd

I see this type of tactic blowing up in the feminists faces.


115 posted on 10/06/2006 2:44:26 PM PDT by Jay P.S.
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I repeat, it happened to me. It was in May, 1989. (By the way, my almost-17-year-old son is just fine, thank you.) If you think there aren't doctors out there that offer abortion on the basis of little or no indication, you're quite mistaken.


116 posted on 10/06/2006 4:22:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Pay attention.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Overwhelming flaws with your "aborted babies = less libs" argument.

Several prominent Pub Presidents started out with cut and dry liberal parents.

Our local Save a Life leader aborted and now tell her story to local churches in how sad it made her. Her testimony is heartbreaking. Conservatives have aborted...

Third and most importantly, we conservatives hold life about party affiliation.

I figure you were just kidding with your post... but this is no laughing matter.

117 posted on 10/06/2006 4:40:57 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: MotleyGirl70; dynachrome; Morgan in Denver; right-wingin_It; sgtbono2002; TAdams8591; ...
--- pass the word---

--- BEAT MS MAGAZINE---

OK, here's the counter-petition: Modern Commentaries blog is collecting signatures of women who had abortions, and regret it.

The heading of the petition will read:

We, the undersigned, believe that life begins at conception, and that the dignity and life of every human being must be respected from conception to natural death. We believe abortion is a grave immoral act and constitutes murder of a human being, and that women and unborn children deserve better. Therefore, we urge our government and representatives to hear our voices as we oppose America's current abortion laws.

118 posted on 10/06/2006 5:01:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Pay attention.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

BTTT... great news...


119 posted on 10/06/2006 5:18:12 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This needs a thread of it's own... IMHO...


120 posted on 10/06/2006 5:28:22 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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