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To: grjr21

No, it's not inconceivable that they are at fault, but they will be blamed regardless.

Oh, and if the trasnponder wasn't lit, then how did ATC know the altitude?


26 posted on 10/05/2006 8:08:24 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Be a good Democrat and turn the lights out as you leave the ME)
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To: VeniVidiVici
They already have been blamed by the Xinhua news agency.

Oh, and if the trasnponder wasn't lit, then how did ATC know the altitude?

If they were close to a radar facility they could have gotten a secondary return, or "skin paint". This is not likely though--they probably would've had a second transponder and ATC would've brought the problem up to them long before this. Besides, they are not legal to fly at that altitude in RVSM airspace, which I'm certain this was, without an operable transponder with altitude reporting capability. If ATC allowed them to continue in RVSM airspace without an operable altitude reporting capability then they are culpable.

RVSM Requirements

The following requirements have to be fulfilled to get an RVSM STC:

• Two independent altitude measurement systems meeting the system error requirements.

• One automatic control system keeping the aircraft altitude within ±20 m (±65 ft).

• One altitude alert system with limits ±90 m (±300 ft).

• One secondary surveillance radar (SSR) altitude reporting transponder.

• RVSM compliant avionics configuration.

29 posted on 10/05/2006 8:24:00 AM PDT by zipper
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To: VeniVidiVici
According to a Rueters report


"Flights from here (Brasilia) to Manaus should be at even-numbered altitudes, like 36 or 38 thousand feet," Defense Minister Waldir Pires said in a telephone interview. "And those from Manaus fly at odd-numbered altitudes."

That confirms from this story  that they shouldn't have been there.


If there are any pilots here they may be able to verify this, and we know from  Sharkeys account they were flying a 37000.


The standard avionics  on this plane seem pretty impressive to this layman.



Also I wonder if the writers aren't confusing the Tcas system with th Radar Transponders
40 posted on 10/05/2006 9:04:58 AM PDT by grjr21
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