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To: samtheman
that libertarians just don't get it about war

Understand where they are coming from though. It is part of obejctivist philosophy. The non-initiation of force, fraud, theft principle.

It is NEVER morally justifiable to initiate force, fraud or theft against someone. This is axiomatic if you first assume that the only form of ownership a person can have is ownership of self. Since you can't own someone else, initiating force against them violates their equal Right to be an individual being.

This applies to not nuking Canada. Where libertarians and the anti-war at any cost cowards currently infesting the Libertarian party part ways if what to do once you are ATTACKED. "l"ibertarians understand that if you do not respond in kind and remove the threat, that they will continue to be a threat. Anti-war peacnik suicidal types try and worm their way out of going after terrorists under the justification that those terrorists who attacked us on 9-11 are all already dead.

People like me are more reasoned. We realize that if a rabid dog bites you, that you may want to wipe out the entire pack of rabid dogs from whence they came. To effectively fight this war, while minimizing civilian casualties, we want the free market Right of Letters of M&R to hunt them down. This allows us a profit motive as well as a defensive one.

In the interim, we also want our unabridged Second Amendment Rights back so we can protect our families here in the US form random terror attacks like that idiot jihadi that drove an SUV into a crowd of people to see how many he could kill. No amount of TSA/Homeland Security nonsense can stop such terrorist actions.

So, unless your other people care to start doing something REALLY effective about defending ourselves from terrorists, you may not want to point too many fingers at others.

144 posted on 10/04/2006 2:26:02 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Quam terribilis est haec hora)
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To: Dead Corpse
People like me are more reasoned. We realize that if a rabid dog bites you, that you may want to wipe out the entire pack of rabid dogs from whence they came. To effectively fight this war, while minimizing civilian casualties, we want the free market Right of Letters of M&R to hunt them down. This allows us a profit motive as well as a defensive one.
You lost me on the M&R and profit motive stuff but regarding the rabid dogs --- and wiping out whole packs of them with a single MOAB --- I'm with youthere, Dead Corpse. I'm down for the wiping out.
148 posted on 10/04/2006 3:04:02 PM PDT by samtheman (The Democrats are Instituting their own Guest Voter Program.)
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