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American Dien Bien Phu? (MEGA BARF ALERT)
The American Cause ^ | 3 Oct 06 | patrick j. buchanan

Posted on 10/03/2006 4:49:49 PM PDT by CWOJackson

What a spectacle America at war presents to the world.

A former president, red-faced, bawls his rage at Fox News' Chris Wallace, who had asked why he had not shut down bin Laden and Co. in the seven years he had to do it. The president of the United States declaims to a partisan audience in Alabama, "The Party of FDR and Harry Truman has become the party of cut and run."

Is this how the great republic fights and wins its wars?

America has taken on the aspect of France's Fourth Republic after the fall of Dien Bien Phu in 1954. Case in point: "State of Denial," by Bob Woodward of Watergate fame.

As White House press secretary Tony Snow said, the book is cotton candy. It melts in one's mouth. There seems to be little here that is new, shocking or significant. That confidential memos at State and the National Security Council conflicted with the rosier rhetoric of President Bush is hardly news to a nation, a majority of whose people now believe Iraq was a mistake. All it means is that our commander in chief has tried to maintain the morale of the home front.

Among other revelations, we learn that Robert Blackwill of the NSC sent a memo to Condi Rice arguing that 40,000 more troops were needed in Iraq, that George Tenet and J. Cofer Black of the CIA went to see Condi to warn her something big was up, two months before 9-11, that Chief of Staff Andy Card pushed to have Donald Rumsfeld replaced, that Kissinger met often with President Bush to insist that victory is the only real exit strategy. But Henry has been writing that in The Washington Post.

What is going on here?

People recently removed from power are leaking to Woodward to ensure that the first draft of history shows that their sage counsel had been ignored. They are scoring points off their own president, who once entrusted them with high office.

Among the more important revelations, however, is an unstated one. So badly are things going in Iraq that men who once had influence over U.S. war policy feel compelled to cut loose of that policy and of the policymakers: Bush, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice. This book exposes their fear that America may be losing the war -- and their determination to swim clear of culpability before the ship goes down.

Of significant interest is the comment of Gen. Abizaid, Centcom commander, to two friends from Vietnam days: "We've got to get the (expletive) out of here," meaning out of Iraq.

Asked by his friends about his victory strategy, Abizaid replied, "That's not my job." A jolting comment indeed from the general who is to lead us to victory.

Unlike history, Woodward's books are fast-paced, frothy reads that reward his sources by heroizing them and paint those who decline to confess to Bob as obtuse, oblivious to what's going on. In earlier books, when things appeared to be going well in Iraq and Afghanistan, this White House collaborated, and was rewarded. Almost all emerged as sagacious and strong. This time, Woodward met with closed doors.

Understandably, for things are not going well in Afghanistan or Iraq, though we do not need another book to tell us that. The question that needs answering is: What do we do now?

According to the National Intelligence Estimate, leaked to The New York Times and partially declassified last week, our intel agencies believe the U.S. invasion of Iraq has so inflamed the Arab and Muslim world it has spawned terrorism. Yet, the same NIE argues that a too-rapid withdrawal could mean collapse of the Iraqi regime, triumph for the jihadists and a calamity for the United States.

But, then, we did not need the NIE to tell us that, either. For the American public, 60 percent of whom believe Iraq was a mistake, also opposes immediate withdrawal, fearing the disaster of which the NIE warns.

Still, the Woodward book, the NIE and the savagery of this campaign seem certain to create a crisis for Bush after November.

How, after all, when one's former aides are telling Woodward the White House and the Pentagon blundered in their management of the war, does one convince the American people they did not?

How, after Bush has called the Democratic Party a cut-and-run crowd, and Democrats have accused the White House and Pentagon of being incompetents in fighting the war in Iraq, does one ask for and receive bipartisan support to stay the course?

What do our troops in Iraq, who risk their lives every day, think when they read that their commanding general believes, "We've got to get the (expletive) out of here," and that a victory strategy is "not my job."

France's defeat at Dien Bien Phu in Indochina lead to a second war of national liberation in Algeria, the fall of the Fourth Republic and the call for Gen. de Gaulle to assume power. The general did, and he rang down the curtain on the French Empire.

Are we facing an American Dien Bien Phu?


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: buchanan; goawaypatgoaway; gopatgoaway; mullahpat; traitoralert; woodward
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To: CWOJackson

Get lost, Buchanan. You haven't done a thing in your life except kvetch about other Republicans.


21 posted on 10/03/2006 5:34:48 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: CWOJackson

I see why Chrissy Mathews is trying so hard.

Buchanan is obviously after his time slot.


22 posted on 10/03/2006 5:37:18 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: CWOJackson; All

There is so much ignorance going on here.

The more troops ignorance. What Commander in Chief has ever given his generals all the troops they said they wanted? None. How many U.S. battles were won, in most cases, in spite of the generals not getting all the troops they wanted? Most of them. Is it an automatic given that had more troops been delivered that success would have been assured? No. George Washington never had enough troops or material; but he won. Lincoln was constantly telling his generals to press on, in spite of their desire for more time, more material and more troops. And he won. Wars are not won by those with more troops. Wars are won by those who persevere, relentlessly no matter what. Thus, Bush has done what most American Commander's In Chief have done, pushed the generals, the troops and the people to persevere, instead of letting them chose to fail because everybody did not get everything they wanted.

The more troops hypocrisy part 1: "We need more troops to win". The more troops hypocrisy 2: "We are losing because the overwhelming presence of the occupying troops creates public resentment and more resistance".

The weakiness and near irrelevance of the "Tenant said there was an imminent danger of attack from Bin Laden" quote can be demonstrated by the following theoretical conversation between Tenant, Rice, Bush and Cheney, based on the facts as given to the 9/11 commission.

Tenant: "There is an imminent danger of attack from Bin Laden here in the United States, and soon".
Bush: "Where in the U.S."
Tenant: "We don't know."
Rice: "How will they execute the attack."
Tenant: "We don't know. We have been given indications of a number of possibilities, but we have no direct evidence of any of those possibilities forming up in any exact location at this time."
Cheney: "Where are the Al Queda cells that we think are actively working here on this imminent threat?"
Tenant: "We don't know."
Bush: "How many active Al Queda cells have we found operating here."
Tenant: "We are not sure, because we have not penetrated their organization here?"
Bush: "When do we estimate the attack will take place?"
Tenant: "We don't know?"

Bush, Cheney and Rice: "So what are you not doing now that you need our support or direction, in order to clarify the exact nature of the immenint threat?"
Tenant: "We don't know."


23 posted on 10/03/2006 5:39:22 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I much prefer other fictions writers over woodward. For instance, he claims to have had a death bed interview with Casey...yet Casey's wife and his CIA's guards say it never happened.


24 posted on 10/03/2006 5:44:05 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Well, look at the bright side. At least Pat didn't drag the Roman Empire into this article.


25 posted on 10/03/2006 5:52:05 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: MNJohnnie
The number of soldiers killed in Iraq/Afghanistan don't equate with the number lost within hours on Sept 11, 2001.

The number of soldiers killed still don't match the number of unborn children murdered daily by abortion.

Soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are better compared to Khe Sahn rather than Dien Bien Phu. Today's US Forces don't even compare to the US Marines' "tactical withdrawal" from North Korea since fanatical jihadism is taking a far worse beating than ChiCom forces of the 50s.

Perhaps this is what Rumsfeld had in mind all along? The most fanatical of Jihadists are being sucked out of their global hides and suckered into a no win situation. This war was never meant to be an annihilation of WW2 proportions, but to alleviate the free world of an expanding fanatical intolerance. This is a well-executed Eisenhower-like containment and reversal of a fanatical ideological opposite. Just as the Crusade ushered a new error of growth to Europe, our present War on Terror is broadening the future of the entire free world.

Whether foreign or domestic, those who have always harbored a hard heart against true individual free will are being revealed as the beast they are. It's only a matter of revealing this obvious fact to the public.
26 posted on 10/03/2006 6:24:43 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: CWOJackson
Is this how the great republic fights and wins its wars?

It's always worked before, Pat; you jackass....

27 posted on 10/03/2006 6:27:17 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: CWOJackson

Sure Pat... Except for the part where we're winning the war, the resemblance to Dien Bien Phu is uncanny.


28 posted on 10/03/2006 6:29:57 PM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: CWOJackson
Notice the similarities
29 posted on 10/03/2006 6:36:12 PM PDT by milestogo
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To: Redcloak
pat's last book sales didn't do very well...perhaps he's hoping for a courtesy endorsement from woodward.
30 posted on 10/03/2006 6:36:42 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
The bitter loser Buchanan opens his mouth and shuts his litte brain again. We have destroyed Al Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan. We made Iraq the grave yard of islamic terrorists and this moron is telling us about Dien Ben Fu. I really despise this man and his little followers, nothing but defeatism and doom and gloom, they are the anti-American.
31 posted on 10/03/2006 6:42:40 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: milestogo
Amazing! You're right, the similarities are intriguing...it's almost as if woodward, buchanan and this guy all working from the same play book.

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"Bring out the nails because in Afghanistan, the first Neo-colony of the American Neo-Conservatives..."

"Bring out the nails because, drunk with delusions of grandeur and self-adulation, the Empire seekers made a bad choice..."

"Bring out the nails because the Empire seekers failed to understand, and still do not, that..."

"Bring out the nails because the Empire seekers tried to defeat with brawn what should have been conquered with brain..."

"Bring out the nails because the Empire seekers did not comprehend that..."

"Bring out the nails because the Empire seekers refused to learn from history..."

"Bring out the nails because the Empire seekers ignored the wisdom passed on to them from other Europeans..."

"Bring out the nails because in Iraq too rigor mortis has almost set into the corpse of the Empire building dream with a sense of finality..."

"Bring out the nails because veteran Washington reporter Bob Woodward tells Mike Wallace in an interview..."

"Bring out the nails because according to Woodward in that same interview..."

"Bring out the nails to hammer into the coffin of the Empire dream but keep a silver bullet handy should the monster make one last-ditch attempt to escape from its eternal grave."

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It didn't bring any nails out while reading it but it sure did bring out the bark bucket.

32 posted on 10/03/2006 6:44:34 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: jveritas

Agreed. I think pat's mixing up Dien Ben Fu with the last Reform Party convention.


33 posted on 10/03/2006 6:45:40 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: elcid1970
It seems Pat Buchanan has no clue what is Dien Bien Phu, he may have heard about it in for few seconds on the History Channel while flipping his remote control to find a Bash Bush program to watch.
34 posted on 10/03/2006 6:47:43 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: CWOJackson

Pat has boarded Woodward's train? LOL.


35 posted on 10/03/2006 6:48:33 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: onyx

I guess "woodward said so" is buchanan's new standard of truth.


36 posted on 10/03/2006 6:52:29 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

This person obviously knows nothing about the Dien Bien Phu operation.


37 posted on 10/03/2006 6:54:47 PM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: CWOJackson
Understandably, for things are not going well in Afghanistan

For a heavy man, Pat sure does smoke a lot of crack.

38 posted on 10/03/2006 6:55:08 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: CWOJackson


Apparently so.


39 posted on 10/03/2006 6:55:20 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: CWOJackson

LOL.... good one.


40 posted on 10/03/2006 6:55:40 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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