Posted on 10/02/2006 9:16:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Edited on 10/02/2006 12:55:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Developing....
School Shooting injures one person,
Hostage situation may be developing.
Update: Multiple Shooting Victims and Possible Hostages in Lancaster County
Not many details available yet, but an incident has been reported from Mine Rd. in Bart Township in Lancaster County involving multiple gunshot victims. Dennis Buterbaugh reports live from our newsroom. abc27 has a news crew on the way. We will update with details as they become available.
Update 2: Pennsylvania Police: Amish School is 'Horrendous Crime Scene' After Shooting
NICKEL MINES, Pa. — At least two female students and one slightly older female — who may have been a teacher's aide — were shot and killed execution style in what police say may be a revenge killing for something that happened 20 years ago.
State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller said Monday that truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV entered the one-room Amish schoolhouse in earlier in the day. The gunman brought in pieces of wood to board up the doors to the building when he entered the school. He also stacked desks against the building's doors.
"It appears that the suspect entered school with the intention of taking hostages," Miller said.
Roberts had wire ties and plastic flex cuff, which he used to begin tying the hostages feet together after they were lined up along a blackboard. He let go 15 male students, as well as one adult female who was pregnant. Three other non-student females with infants were also allowed to leave. One shotgun and one handgun was found next to the suspect when police entered the building.
"It seems as though he wanted to attack young, female victims," Miller said.
After a half hour inside, Roberts began shooting. When the gunfire stopped, three females were found shot dead at the scene, along with the suspect, who shot himself, Miller said. At least seven more victims — some critically wounded — were transported to nearby hospitals, he said. One victim, a young girl, died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said. He could not confirm how many people died en route or at the hospital. The county coroner earlier reported six children killed but then backed off of that statement.
Wrong! In this case I can give in that the teachers may not have been as educated in this stuff. But there were too many red flags for anyone to think he wasn't going to hurt the children in some way. I doubt anyone on this thread would have had the thoughts you just mentioned.
I don't. I was in a shooting at my old work (ESL). The guy (Richard Farley) was just deranged. I also think the HR department didn't do enough to stop the guy.
He was stalking a young woman at my work for a very long time, and she finally got a restraining order on him. He came in and shot up the place on the day the restraining order went into affect.
He killed 7 of my co-workers, and injured 5 others.
He was just a crazy, mean guy. The scary thing is that he had a top secret clearance when he worked at our company. It's been over 15 years since this happened, and the guy is still on death row. He hasn't been killed yet.
We live near them in NE Ohio also. Near Middlefield.
I, too, have wondered why a teacher did not stay with the kids. But I think you are probably right, the teachers didn't know what to do. These days, I think everyone should just assume the worst in a situation like this.
Please don't assess ANY of the blame for this horror on it's victims.
PLEASE.
I am just so tired of the slaughter and then the idiots leftists, politicians, media, etc. somehow trying to spin and PC away from the obvious solution of letting the law abiding citizens, who are on the scene when these things go down, be the first line of defense.
Our founders understood this, whether the criminal conduct was institutionalized or individual.
Why can't a few people just say NOTHING rather than harping on stuff while the story unfolds?
OTOH, it could result in only 1 person getting killed - the hero.
We will never know in such situations. We will never know what choice is best. So such arguments really are moot.
Well, that's why I said that hindsight is 20/20. But these days, I think people should assume the worst will happen no matter what and be trained in advance on how best to protect themselves. These poor people probably had no clue.
I disagree. He had ties with him - it was an obvious hostage situation. He was not going to kill immediately, otherwise why have all the ties? And in that time, anything could have happened to stop it - but unfortunately not in this case. But to take it from a situation where he might not shoot, to one where he has to, would be a mistake.
I think no one can tell what would have been the right thing to do in that situation as a teacher. I myself would like to think I'd jump the guy and try and take the gun away from him, but not all people will fight back. When you have a gun aimed at you I think it would be hard not to follow orders from the gunman.
In this case I could see your point. However, in basic protection mode as a mother I don't see it. The Amish may be naive but I have not doubt they have the same instincts to protect children as anyone else.
See my post 927.
As I recall a similar choice was made in the Russian school hostage situation. I saw an interview where another mother had to make this decision during Katrina, too. In her case I believe she was reunited with the other child.
Whose? Yours?
And with no way to call for help, attacking beforehand would have likely led to more deaths, including the boys, teachers, and infants, as well as the girls.
We all want to think when we hear about things like this that somehow it could been prevented. The idea that a person who is determined to murder innocents and does not fear death can attack successfully is quite chilling. But from what has been released so far it doesn't appear that anyone could have stop this slaughter except the killer himself.
Whether she believed or didn't believe, what was she supposed to do against someone armed with a gun?
It's just reacting from a terrible story. Calm down. I know as a Mom I would have wanted someone to stay with MY children. The horror of thinking your child was murdered with no one to protect them is overwhelming for a mother. There's no blame. Just terrible sadness.
Absolutely senseless. All I have been thinking about since I heard this are all the one room schoolhouses the Amish have on the outskirts of Dover........and the many times I saw all those little children walking or rollerskating to school, no matter the weather.
Just horrible.
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