Posted on 10/01/2006 2:17:32 PM PDT by Mini-14
If I was an anti-gun nut DA, I would probably NOT charge the teacher, because the constitutionality of the law might might get challenged, and the whole ban on carrying in public schools just might get thrown out as violating the state constitution.
Olympia is a bastion of left wing lunacy, so my .02 is that the DA tries to find a way to make the case disappear, because this one exposes the idiocy of the left.
As a female who has been in that position, I can tell you...I'd break these unconstitutional laws any day of the week to keep myself safe rather than allowing myself to be at risk of severe injury or death - especially since the police have ABSOLUTELY NO OBLIGATION to protect me.
Yup, ya got a gun in one hand and a phone in the other and a perp in front of you. Which are you gonna use first?
What I know about it I learned from a guy who had obtained such an order from a judge. He had been threatened for testifying in a criminal trial, and the judge suggested that he carry a concealed weapon. Unfortunately, he worked at a business inside a local gun control area. So the judge gave him a piece of paper ordering him to be armed.
Since he also had to visit a restricted but low security federal area frequently, the judge referred him to a federal judge or magistrate who would extend the order for him.
The #1 group of people who need a firearm for personal protection are women with abusive boyfriends and husbands. And since the police can't protect them at all, and protection services are expensive, a concealed carry license and a carry order like this are the way to go.
Women should ask for a carry order, too, because the police are motivated to confiscate any weapon they find at a scene, for obvious reasons. However, being disarmed in front of a person who wants to harm you is not good, as it might be a while before you get your weapon back. That is why a judge's order that you be armed can be a very good thing.
Oh really? When I looked at the law regarding places "off limits" in Washington, it looked pretty muddled with exceptions and contradictions. Here's a recitation of the law and a discussion: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/384.html
Do you still stick to your assertion that the law is "cut and dried, black and white"?
Same here. Friday, we stopped by the Credit Union, and as we approached the door, my wife said, "Oops! 30.06* sign!" So, we headed back to our vehicle to secure our "equipment"...
OTOH, had I been under a known or probable threat of violence against either of us....
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*"30.06" sign: Must be promininently placed -- and in letters at least 1" high...
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IMHO, that teacher should have just responded (in a sweet, little voice): "Why, we're in a 'gun-free zone' here. Isn't that all the protection I'll need?"
IOW, you can put me in the "Better judged by twelve than carried by six" camp...
Then the Indiana state constitution must have been written by nutbars:
Article I, Bill of Rights, Section 19. In all criminal cases whatever, the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts.
Do a Google search for "constitution determine the law"
If teachers were all required to take the NRA Gun Safety Course (at least) and then encouraged to get permits and carry at school, school shootings would become a quaint footnote to history.
John Jay
(1745-1829) first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, First President of the United States - preceding George Washington, one of three men most responsible for the US Constitution Source:
Georgia v. Brailsford, 1794
Luckily, only a few nutbars actually believe in jury nullification.
Yep. Like that nutbar John Jay?
Maybe she is too stupid to be carrying around a firearm.
Unfortunately, you are wrong. A lot of twists and turns in following laws regarding educational instituions. First was "Gun Free Schools" law #1 passed by Congress. This was thrown out by the courts as being unconstitutional. Then, Congress passed "Gun Free Schools" law #2 which allowed the states to exempt certain classes of individuals from the law. So, if a state licenses an individual to carry a pistol, and does not explicitly declare schools to be off limits, then it is legal for that person to carry. However, most states with concealed licensing laws explicitly forbid individuals from carrying in schools. The only exceptions I know about are Oregon and Utah.
This is not strictly true in Washington. The law says that adults carrying a CPL may carry a concealed pistol when dropping off or picking up their child from school.
Funny. Typical reporting
Yes the gun toting teacher was stupid. The coworker did the right thing for his own interest. If she had fired her gun on school premises and then told the police that she had told the coworker, the coworker would have been an accessory for criminal charges and open to civil liability. Why should he carry her baggage?
By the way, I live in Mason County and I hope I get called to jury duty for this one if it ends up being prosecuted. I usually get summoned once a year and I'm due again. I would be happy to "nullify" this one.
The co-worker has probably worked with the woman for quite some time. Do you believe that he thought she was going to go postal all of a sudden, even after informing him she had a gun?
If she had fired her gun on school premises and then told the police that she had told the coworker, the coworker would have been an accessory for criminal charges and open to civil liability.
The ex-husband likely would not have went after her on school grounds anyway, where there's other people milling around. He'd do it when she gets home.
Attention, Shawn Roe! Your ex-wife was willing to use a gun against you, but now she's completely unarmed. Just thought you'd like to know.
Love,
The Media.
Totally backwards. This liberal stupid hysteria about guns has got to stop.
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