On The Presence Of Non-Chinese At Anyang
Pretty Blonde Headed Mongolian Girl
(If the Europeans weren't in Europe during the Ice Age, where were they?)
Posted on 10/01/2006 6:01:24 AM PDT by cbkaty
No doubt we all have some strain of Mongolian midget or three-legged Castillian courtier in us too, but it is wrong to assume that they are anything but vestigial contributions.
Unless you happen to be short, a good rider, and a deadeye with a bow and arrow. Or Spanish.
Random? Try politically correct list of countries!
There may have been inbreeding in your family, but definitely not in mine. ;-)
I agree with cyborg, who actually posted #77:
It's NONE of the government's DAMN business.
Don't ya just hate it when ancestors come to visit.....?
On The Presence Of Non-Chinese At Anyang
Pretty Blonde Headed Mongolian Girl
(If the Europeans weren't in Europe during the Ice Age, where were they?)
Naw, don't hold your breath. Childish prattle being passed off as journalism will be with us for a long, long time.
FROM YOUR LINK
"The Irish and Scots may be as closely related to the people of Spain and Portugal as the Celts of central Europe, it emerged today.
Historians have long believed the British Isles were swamped by a massive invasion of Iron Age Celts from central Europe around 500BC.
But geneticists at Dublin’s Trinity College now claim the Irish and Scots have as much, if not more, in common with the people of north-western Spain.
Dr Daniel Bradley, genetics lecturer at Trinity College Dublin, said a new study into Celtic origins revealed close affinities with the people of Galicia."
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Yep. That is exactly as would be expected.
The geneticists seem surprised because they are a little weak on their ancient Celtic history.
There is an atlas called "The Penguin Atlas of Ancient History" that geographically traces the pre-Roman European migrations by shadings on the European map.
The Celtic migrations are shown as follows:
The Celts originated in Central Europe and then spread out from there in all directions. The first wave of Celtic migration reached northern Spain and the British Isles and extended into Ireland.
The first Celtic wave into Spain ran continuously along the northern half of Spain but pressure from the original Iberian inhabitants resulted in an Iberian reconquest of what is now the Basque region cutting of the Celts of Galicia and Asturias (in the northwest corner of Spain) from Gaul.
The Cantabrian mountains separate Galicia and Asturias from the rest of Spain to the south (and also give the area a very wet and green climate just like the Cascade Mountains in Washington State make the western Washington green and wet and eastern Washington dry). As a result, the Celts of Galicia and Asturias had good defenses against invaders and stayed relatively "pure". They did not fall to the Roman conquest until the time of Augustus even though the rest of Spain had fallen to the Romans 200 years before. During the Moorish invasion of Spain, they held out as the last unconquered Christian areas and began the Reconquista.
Back in Central Europe, new waves of migration had come including later waves of Celts that were somewhat different from the original wave. Therefore, the original Celtic stock was severely diluted or wiped out in Central Europe.
So, by the time of Augustus, that first Celtic wave only survived in relatively pure form hunkered down behind the Cantabrian Mountains in Galicia and Asturias in Spain and hunkered down on the island of Ireland and hunkered down in Scotland while the rest of Central Europe and even the island of Britannia south of Scotland were overrun by newcomers.
So, Ireland and Scotland and Galicia and Asturias do not simply share Celtic roots. They share the Celtic roots of the SAME WAVE of Celtic migration across northwestern Europe.
Due to the natural defenses in these areas at the fringes of the Europe (and through the sheer stubbornness and orneriness that the Irish, the Scots and we of Galician stock seem to share) they were able to keep the newcomers at arms length and retain their unique genetic makeup.
The confusion of the Trinity College geneticists would be analogous to a geneticist that is confused as to why the Seminoles in Florida have such a close genetic connection with Indians in Oklahoma. (The Seminoles were originally from stock originating in Georgia and the Carolinas but, through wars and migrations, they were wiped out of their original territory and ended up in relatively pure genetic form only in Southern Florida where they had fled to in the early 1800's and where the Seminoles who never surrendered remained and in Oklahoma wehere the Seminoles who surrendered were relocated to by the U.S. Government.) You would expect the South Florida Seminole have more genetic links to people now living in Oklahoman than to people now living in the land of his ancestors in Georgia.
Since the first Celts in Central Europe and France and England were long ago overrun by other waves of migration, the genetic stock of the original first wave of Celtic migration will be found in the fringes of northwest Europe where these Celts made their stand against invaders aided by the natural defenses of the sea, the Scottish highlands and the mountains of Galicia and Asturias.
Likewise, in the American Melting Pot, the Scots-Irish have kept themselves relatively unmixed in the mountains of Appalachia.
In regards to Portugal: Portugal is also separated from the rest of Iberia by a mountain range, this one in a north-south orientation. It is also directly south of Galicia.
During the Reconquista, the region that is now Portugal was reconquered from the Moors by the Christians from Galicia and, again, the mountains and the sea provided genetic isolation. The Portuguese language is derived from the Galician mother-tongue.
methinks some posters do protest too much.
LOL. "Herzog" is the german word for War Lord, and it is a fairly common german surname.
Your analysis contains an assupmtion that they are disjoint sets - which, in my case, at least, is patently untrue.
My mom (Alabama roots) used to always say, "Guff, bunk and hooey".
I didn't say there were that many different ancestors. There are that many places on a genological chart regardless of how many ancestors fill multiple positions within that chart.
"I'm not alone in my ignorance. Geneticists claim that many Americans' genetic profiles are as diverse as mine, and few precisely reflect the cultural identities we embrace."
We're all a bunch of "muts".;o)
Oh, goody. I always wanted to be ethnic, so I could cook strange food and say it was my grandmother's recipe.
Now that I find I must be poly-ethnic, then I need to come up with an explanation for green jello with cucumbers, mayo and cottage cheese in it.
"I have my doubts about this. Sounds like someone promising to hypnotize you and tell you all your past lives."
'The Search for Bridey Murphy,' Anyone? ;)
"Bridey Murphy is the name of a woman that U.S. housewife Virginia Tighe (April 27, 1923 - July 12, 1995) claimed to have been in her previous life.
In 1952, amateur hypnotist Morey Bernstein hypnotized Virginia Tighe in Pueblo, Colorado. He 'regressed' her to her alleged past life as a 19th-century Irishwoman, Bridey Murphy, who had allegedly lived about 1798 – 1864. Tighe claimed to have never been in Ireland but gave vivid accounts of Irish rural life and sang Irish songs. Unfortunately, Bernstein and Tighe listened to the recorded sessions during the series, so that 'Bridey Murphy' was able to amend details as the sessions unfolded.
Bernstein published the book The Search for Bridey Murphy in 1956; in it he called Tighe 'Ruth Simmons.' The book and recordings made of the hypnosis sessions became very popular and were turned into an unsuccessful 1956 movie. The phenomenon spawned a rash of comparable reincarnations.
U.S. journalists made inquiries in Ireland and found no evidence of a Bridey Murphy. However, journalists working for the Chicago American found a Bridey Murphey Corkell, who had lived across the street from Tighe's childhood home in Wisconsin. They concluded that Tighe's 'memories' as Bridey Murphy were based on Corkell's tales of her childhood experiences.
It was later revealed that Tighe had been coached on details of 19th-century County Cork, Ireland."
"Now that I find I must be poly-ethnic, then I need to come up with an explanation for green jello with cucumbers, mayo and cottage cheese in it."
Just say you're a Lutheran and you're gonig to the Sunday Potluck in the church basement. That works for me. :)
Ah, so you're an ethnicity profiler and a very good one. That's where grandma *got* the recipe, but where did the first Lutheran get it?
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