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To: onyx
The American Party and the anti-American Party.

That was laid out pretty well in the last exchange of the first panel segment on FNS. Juan launched into the typical liberal diatribe against tough interrogations against terrorists, and even raised the equal protection argument in the 14th. Brit, somewhat incredulously, asked if Americans and enemy combatants should get equal protection. When Juan implied yes, Brit asked if our detention of hundreds of thousands of German POWS in WWII was immoral. Juan said that was a different kind of conflict.

And that is the chasm that separates the two parties in a nutshell. The left simply does not see this as a war for survival of the West, and IMO often sees this as a conflict that is punishing the west for perceived sins of opression of the poor huddled masses.

318 posted on 10/01/2006 7:12:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline, go away today. I don't feel much like dancing...)
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To: dirtboy

I am just now watching Fox. What you just now told me is amazing for the sheer ignorance of it. They really don't get it or they're the ones in TOTAL DENIAL.

Off topic: but how did Juan's GOP son do in his D.C> political race?


332 posted on 10/01/2006 7:17:47 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: dirtboy; maica; ColdSpringGirl
On FNS, Daniel Benjamin did not answer the questions asked him. Once he referred to what the 911 commission said. Next he said that there was "not enough proof." His third comment began, "I was no longer in the White House, but..." and went on to repeat the appropriate propaganda.

One thing that I heard for the first time today was that Bin Ladin was never a possible target during President Bush's first 8 months, thus he couldn't have "gotten him" as the left keeps complaining. To this comment, Wallace commented on the "failure of will by both presidents." I don't think so, but this comes from the same Chris Wallace who usually refers to ex42 as President Clinton and to the current president as MR. Bush. On this MR vs President topic, I thought it was interesting that Wallace said "Bill Clinton" several times in his commentary on the 4000 emails he got about the interview. This was a prepared statement. Perhaps some of those emails referred to the false impression that ex42 had (pretended to have?) about him.

Michael Scheuer said that the Jusuits taught "If you have to lie, never lie about the facts." He went on to say that the 911 Commission ignored some vital documents and then let no one with the facts about them testify. I guess having Jamie Gorelick decide which documents the commissioners should see might have something to do with this.

376 posted on 10/01/2006 7:31:17 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: dirtboy

You're right... they always claim WWII was different.
Right, and this is worse.

At least they were from countries and wore uniforms, I doubt they were hiding behind locals and storing weapons in schools, hospitals and children's homes... even blowing up their own kids or someone elses. Orca the Olds Surfer and Clueless Graham... as well as the Manchurian Candidate still seem to believe that if we follow the Geneva Convention the terrorists will only cut half of a head instead of the whole. Idiots. For goodness sakes, they actually planted dead kids... dug them up, inside buildings in Lebanon (that they shot missles from behind said buildings to draw fire on positions), and posed them for hours. You can't have a conversation with these sub-humans... you have to wipe them out. As for as 'moderate' muslims (whatever that means, I would be out), they stand on the sidelines silent... whether out of fear (they're still there though), or hopeful that the caliphate will be worldwhile... don't know. They need to go too... sorry, can't trust ya, if you can't speak out against what's going on after all this... you don't deserve freedom. Seriously, when muslim 'organizations' issue even a half-*ss statement... it's usually a lie.

War is hell and there are things the public just shouldn't know.

Ahhh. Back to Juan.
That jerk and the rest of the self-hating, self-loathing, no morals dems and libs (except of course if it's terrorists, never mind the mass graves of the Kurds and the rape/torture rooms), need to wake up or move their asses to the Middle East. They have the luxury of running their mouths when sons and daughters, fathers and mothers are giving their limbs and lives for their worthless behinds... they're busy bickering over hair gel, Tom's baby and profiling.

They act like we're supposed to sit here and get bombed... then do nothing. Is it going to take a Beslan here? Is it going to take some citizens practice of 2nd amendment rights publically at the next attempted Hez rally in Manhattan to set it off? Will it take hand to hand on our streets by citizens (my bad, they're too cowardly for that... they'll just blow up buses, subways or buildings while full of workers).
The demons have burned down 18 churches in Nigeria... including the main cathedral, did you hear that in the news? Not only was the nun (who was there for 20+ years helping muslims and training them to be nurses), killed... priests were killed as well. Did you see that on tv? I thought not.

The demons in Gitmo eat better than our troops (they're getting their teeth cleaned, colonoscopies, psychiatrist... will they need that one, while we're battling our insurance companies in the US for procedures). The collaborators here have more rights than citizens and get off in the name of 'understanding'. CAIR is nothing but the second parellel in establishing the caliphate. Those who have ears hear and eyes see.
Libs want understanding on why they hate us; The understanding should be for pre-emption... not for justification... there is none.

In Maryland/Virginia public schools, CAIR is getting the right for a girl to wear her burka (don't wear a shirt with Christ on it though), next it will be a prayer room (a la California), they've already taken on McDonalds in Michigan and the military is building a mosque for muslim military (when in the past all services were held in the same room), while the ACLU does their best to remove battlefield chaplains. I guess next our nurses will be wearing the scrub burkas (as in England). I'ts time for muslims to stop coming to the great satan (which they hate), for education (in engineering, biochem, aeronautics... wonder why they need those?), and to spread their sharia bit by bit... and go to their home countries where they do have the laws wanted.

I feel sorry for the next lib that makes the unfortunate mistake (like the truthers found out at WTC site this past 9-11), of coming into my face with the bull, they will find out what their mamas look like and will need counseling for a while after.


499 posted on 10/01/2006 8:17:11 AM PDT by AliVeritas (The road to hell is paved with bishops - St. Athanasis)
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To: dirtboy
And that is the chasm that separates the two parties in a nutshell. The left simply does not see this as a war for survival of the West, and IMO often sees this as a conflict that is punishing the west for perceived sins of opression of the poor huddled masses.

I have a theory. Most of US think that these gibbering savages from the 7th century could be wiped up fast if all Americans were pro-America.

Most of the left thinks that they can USE the 7th century savages to undermine US and then overturn the savages if and when the left thinks it has achieved enough of its own goals--IOW socialism/communism.

It's so important to neither over- nor under-estimate the enemy. IMO they cannot beat US. They can hurt us badly by use of nukes or bio weapons, but they can't beat us except with the complicity of our enemies domestic--if we allow it.

Unfortunately, the enemies within think THEY (weak and pitiful though they are) can out think, out plan, and outmaneuver the Islamofascists.

IMO the only thing stupider than an Islamofascist is an American lefty. They think they will prevail over the savages in the final days, but they will NOT because the savages are prepared to die in huge numbers to prevail, but the lefties are NOT. They will lose.

Unfortunately, if we allow the lefties to work with the Islamofascists (which they are doing NOW), WE will lose along with the pitiful lefties. There IS a danger and we had better BEAT it and fast!

856 posted on 10/01/2006 12:45:23 PM PDT by Sal (Once you know they sold USA out to Red China, what do you think they would NOT do?)
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