U.S. fence ends immigration dream of Mexico's Fox

washingtonpost ^ | September 30, 2006 | Alistair Bell

[Hardastarboard]

This will impeded easy entry by both illegals and drug dealers.

Surely not. I read in the Wall Street Journal at least once a week that a wall won't work, that it won't reduce the numbers at all. Even a 50 foot high one, the illegals and drug dealers will just find a way around it.

I've begun to wonder why I read that idiot rag any more at all. They've pretty much gone to hell since Bob Bartley went to heaven.

[stephenjohnbanker]

"Once multi-millions flooded across the border, Fox and Bush figured the 'we can't possibly sent that many home' would work. Throw up our hands and say, "Gee, I guess our amigos from the south are here to stay. Who knew. Well, immigration is a good thing. America needs good workers. You wouldn't complain if they were all English or Irish!" Ad nauseum. We wouldn't notice hospital ER's closing, crime waves, drugs, no jobs for local kids, people demanding Mexican rights, Mexican flags flown, demonstrations on the streets, SSI, all education including college paid for by US taxpayers, etc.. Not to mention the fact that laws were being broken left and right and DC didn't care. Plus the fact that we're at war."

You NAILED it!!

[stephenjohnbanker]

If indeed it gets built at all : )

[norton]

"What" was in reference to the non-logic that suggested a pandemic should not result in quarentine.

[RichardMoore]

This is one huge reason that we who consider ourselves "conservatives" should look to a 3rd party. The Dems & Reps are all tied up with the CFR and the UN and will continue to get us mixed up in the Global Government that will be modeled after the EU. Check out

http://www.constitutionparty.com

[cva66snipe]

Maybe if he had concentrated on fixing his own rotten country instead of trying to interfere with ours he wouldn't have been such a miserable failure.

He didn't because his American POTUS friend put the word out. You want a new nation? We build you one and if we can't build you one I'll give you ours instead. We'll be one big happy family. Come on Vince join us in the new United States giveaway our national sovereignty for trade song. "We are the world, we are the..."

[MarkL]

"What" was in reference to the non-logic that suggested a pandemic should not result in quarentine.

Exactly, but I guess it really shouldn't be surprising any more, given the fact that a certain communicable disease has practically been given civil rights. I'd be willing to bet that the next step will be that illegal immigrants with antibiotic resistant tuberculosis will not be quarantines either.

Mark

[Tammy8]

I live on the border and I have never believed Mexico was a "friend" to the US, in spite of hearing many politicians characterize them as "Our friendly neighbor to the south" for many years.

I was angry at Mexico's reaction to 9/11 and have been amazed that more people don't see it the way you do. I don't lay all the blame on Fox for the reaction- the citizens of Mexico did not stand up and support the US, so it seems he was representing how his citizens felt.

I was working at a Port of Entry on 9/11 and I don't remember a single Mexican traveling into this country expressing any type of sympathy or support for the US, that day or the days and weeks afterward. They were angry about it being harder and taking longer to cross the border. Several even stated that they felt that 9/11 happened because the US "tries to run the world" and things of that type.

No, Mexico is not our friend, and many of their citizens do not respect us, many of their people choose to come here to use this country to gain a better life, most do not want to be part of our country, and only want to be citizens for the benefits.

[Tammy8]

I sure did not see the reaction you describe from the Mexicans that cross the border where I live. I did not see any sympathy for the US, in fact many had wise a$$ remarks about it being our country's fault.

They did nothing as a country to support our efforts, sending troops was only one way to support the US following 9/11; they could have sided with us in the UN, and in making supporting statements, they could have helped in ways other than sending troops, other countries did.

Mexico not only did not support us, they publicly turned against us and there is no denying that.

Maybe some of the Mexicans where you were showed sympathy, but I did not witness anything like that. I hear some of the citizens support the US, but I have not seen any evidence of that.

In most places the "cummuter workers" you posted about cross through the Ports of Entry, so why would a fence stop them?

I personally do not want anyone crossing illegally into the US for any reason. If they cannot qualify to cross at a legal port of entry in a legal manner they should not be here.

[Obie Wan]

"Mexican President Vicente Fox retires in November with his dream shattered of a U.S. immigration overhaul that would allow millions more Mexicans to work legally north of the border.".............Maybe I'm missing something here but what does building the fence have to do with Mexican workers coming north of the border to work LEGALLY ???

[rock58seg]

I guess that's a new definition for "quarentine."

Yeah! It really worked real well with HIV didn't it?

Sar/c

[goldstategop]

The Drive By Media is crying in its beer. F*ck them. I don't usually resort to a profanity but in this case I feel its warranted. They care more about Vicente Fox's dreams than they do about our national sovereignty... and the safety of Americans.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[Niteflyr]

You people are missing a really important point here...the approval ITSELF of a 700 mile fence is as much SYMBOLIC as anything else...do you have a 6 foot fence around your back yard at home even though someone could easily scale it if they want? Of course you do. It's a symbolic statement meaning "Stay the hell out of my yard, and this is where my yard begins". The passage (not only did it pass...but by a landslide) in the Senate of this bill is sending a powerful message to Mexico: "stay the hell out of our country...unless you are going to enter by the front door"..don't underestimate the power of this message...

[Kimberly GG]

Considering the bills passed yesterday only funded 300 miles of the 700 meant to be built, we've got a long way to go.

[Kimberly GG]

"Yes, they did. Approved AND funded."


According to Fox News, of the 700 miles of fencing 'approved', funding for only 300 was passed.

[Niteflyr]

It's a start and the message is still the same...:o)

[Hydroshock]

Then it is time to yell at the lying, thieving scum we use for a congress,

[Hugin]

"his American POTUS friend"

"American POTUS" is redundant.

[Shuttle Shucker]

Mexico has a back-up quasi amnesty plan... Officials there are about to submit to the president-elect a proposal allowing individual U.S. states to negotiate immigration pacts with Mexican regions for the "temporary" visits of Mexicans in the USA (among other perks and favors that seemingly do little for us up here, or for the struggling pro-entrepreneurial reform movement in Mexico).

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article's source:

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Entregarán senadores a Calderón propuesta de reforma migratoria

La propuesta elaborada en la pasada Legislatura por el entonces diputado federal del PRI, Roberto Pedraza, contempla una reforma que permita a las entidades federativas de México signar acuerdos regionales con sus homólogos de EU para la contratación de migrantes
Notimex
El Universal
Ciudad de México
Domingo 1 de octubre de 2006
09:42 Senadores del PRI entregarán al presidente electo, Felipe Calderón Hinojosa, una propuesta de reforma migratoria mediante la cual podrían evitarse cientos de muertes de mexicanos y terminar con el tráfico de indocumentados.
La propuesta elaborada en la pasada Legislatura por el entonces diputado federal del Partido Revolucionario Institucional (PRI), Roberto Pedraza Martínez, contempla una reforma que permita a las entidades federativas de México signar acuerdos regionales con sus homólogos de Estados Unidos para la contratación de migrantes.
“Intentamos desde el Senado revivir esta iniciativa denominada Por Una Migración Ordenada entre México y Estados Unidos, mejor conocida como 10-2 y 5-1 la cual se encuentra guardada en el algún escritorio de la Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores desde hace tres años”, lamentó su autor.
El ahora senador suplente dijo en entrevista que se prevé el consenso de más senadores de todos los partidos para entregar la propuesta al presidente electo e impulsar desde el principio de su administración una verdadera agenda nacional en el tema migratorio.
La propuesta establece que además de los acuerdos regionales o interestatales, se promovería la “certificación” de los emigrantes mexicanos, para evitar que se les acuse de delincuentes y con ello también acabar con las bandas de “polleros”.
“El sexenio del presidente Fox fue el de las cuentas alegres en materia migratoria y al final terminas con la construcción de un nuevo muro, vigilado por militares”, expuso Pedraza Martínez.
Deploró que la iniciativa elaborada por diputados federales y consensuada por toda la Cámara de Diputados en la LIX Legislatura haya sido desechada primero por el titular del Ejecutivo y después por el canciller Luis Ernesto Derbez.
Recordó que la propuesta del Congreso mexicano establecía la “certificación de migrantes”, la posibilidad de realizar convenios migratorios entre estados de los dos países, un esquema de trabajo temporal y el pago de fianzas que garanticen que los trabajadores mexicanos regresen al país.
“Se dilapidaron seis años de la actual administración en reuniones de presidentes de ambos países en sus ranchos, de diálogos de amigos, de impulsar el endurecimiento de las medidas migratorias, pero no en una verdadera reforma en el tema que frene las más de 500 muertes de mexicanos en la frontera común”, agregó.


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[Quix]

Ahhhh, the loop holes emerge already.