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Violent Islam, cowardly Europe: from the cartoons to Regensburg
Asia News ^ | 09-30-2006 | Samir Khalil Samir, sj

Posted on 09/30/2006 2:34:06 PM PDT by Traianus

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1 posted on 09/30/2006 2:34:07 PM PDT by Traianus
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...

Catholic ping! (The author of the article is a Jesuit. Thank God there are some good Jesuits left. They are an endangered "species.")


2 posted on 09/30/2006 2:42:09 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Traianus

Ping for later


3 posted on 09/30/2006 2:48:01 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Traianus

This kind of tactic, intimidation by overkill, has been a Communist mainstay for years. The Muslims use it as do the Democrats. Any connection between Communism, Muslim Fascism, and the Democrats? If is looks like a duck, walks ...., "


4 posted on 09/30/2006 2:48:32 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Traianus
What Arab Civilization?

Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).

Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do.


5 posted on 09/30/2006 2:51:35 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: Traianus

Well said:"European identity and it's value is being lost.Even a minimum amount of pride is missing."That applies here in the US as well.


6 posted on 09/30/2006 3:00:51 PM PDT by Thombo2
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Good analysis.


7 posted on 09/30/2006 3:11:20 PM PDT by NYer ("It is easier for the earth to exist without sun than without the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.” PPio)
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To: Traianus

The Sharia has come to the West and the effects of that are becoming evident. Fear of the sabers and scimitars of Islam is already changing the culture.


8 posted on 09/30/2006 3:16:35 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Traianus

The Muslims are united in their faith against the West. The West has become a house divided: people of Faith and secularists. The people of Faith recognize that the Muslims see us all as the enemy. The secularists group the Jews, Christians and Muslims as "religious nuts" so they're against religion. They erroneously believe that secularism is the true way of preventing a Muslim takeover. But if you want to know the results of this thinking, look at France.


9 posted on 09/30/2006 3:17:21 PM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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To: Traianus
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. [Koran 9.29]
10 posted on 09/30/2006 3:19:23 PM PDT by bennyjakobowski (Why in Hell should I have to Press 1 for English?)
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"But meanwhile, the west is backtracking."

The US is not Europe. We are a generous people, a benevolent, and yes, a moral people. But we are no pacifists. The US was born from war, our decleration of independence created a war, our national anthem talks of rockets and bombs. We are no bad people, but we do not shy back from using force. Even with each other we are that way. We love UFC fighting and created American football, we have a fetish for guns, and we love our military. No nation has fought as many wars as we have since our inception. We have created some of the most marvelous machines of death. From the Gatlin gun, revolver, Turtle and Hunley, the A-bomb or GPS, we are good at using technology to kill and break things. We are a war-like people. Even liberal Hollywood has realized that ‘war’ sells in America. We like to hunt and fish. We use military terms in our common language. We have people who spend small fortunes on reenactments. Someone who is smart reads the signs. The so called Islamist does not fit this description.

Some confuse benevolence and decency with weakness. If our chain is jerked long and hard, if we really get pissed, God help them. We are neither economically mobilized, politically united, nor is our military operating to its full potential and with full freedom of decision. We are killing people all over the planet despite this. From Yemen to the Philippines and everything in-between is affected. So far two nations’ governments have been overthrown. That is without a draft, with only over 3% GDP spent on defense....... The Islamist is confused. If a fly keeps buzzing around and annoys you a little, it does not make you weak if you don't slap at him right away. If that fly keeps landing in your faces and angers you, he will die. The Islamist burning a flag and yes, even blowing up the USS Cole just annoyed us. 9-11 set us off. Do that again, and God knows what we’ll do next.


11 posted on 09/30/2006 5:02:58 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Traianus
I believe the wars of the Twentieth Century has completely whimped out any of Europe's backbone. No European country has the strength to maintain its own sovereignty.

Even the Muslims, who have not advanced very much in the last 2000 years can overrun Europe.

The European era of greatness that began with the 15th Century, has come to an end. From here on its downhill and European civilization will recede back into the darkness.
12 posted on 09/30/2006 5:03:10 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

The Democratic Party in the United States has become a European Party, and our elites feel more in common with European elites than with their own countrymen. Soros is simply one of these who happens to reside in the United States. So where they lead, the Kerry-ites follow.


13 posted on 09/30/2006 5:14:05 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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Sixty years of peace and prosperity has enfeebled the Europeans.
14 posted on 09/30/2006 5:15:26 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: TradicalRC
The secularists group the Jews, Christians and Muslims as "religious nuts" so they're against religion.

Sorry, wrong answer. The left fully understands the dangers Islam poses to their way of life. However, they have a bigger enemy to deal with first: Western Civ/democratic capitalism.

Hitler signed his pact with Stalin so that Germany could first focus on the Western front. So too do liberals hope to take out Western Civ, thus creating the new socialist man, before they turn their attentions to the Islamic threat.

The entire thrust of the Dem's anti-war logic is that it's "our fault" ie the West's history of exploitation has caused turd-worlders to "hate us". This strategy to upset America's war effort & take back political control is NOT based on some naive assessment of Islam.

15 posted on 09/30/2006 5:18:43 PM PDT by Chuck Dent
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To: Red6

Thank you. That was a very good summary of where we are at.


16 posted on 09/30/2006 5:23:41 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: R.W.Ratikal
I believe the wars of the Twentieth Century has completely whimped out any of Europe's backbone.

This is the correct answer. WWI wiped out Europe's entire breeding stock. Consider this: every Frenchman one meets today is a descendent of someone who survived WWI. Prior to 1914, these descendents would not even have been born - their mothers & grandmothers would have mated with one of the fallen instead of whoever happened to represent their male line.

If you visit France, every now and then you will catch a glimpse of their their Teutonic heritage. (Normandy is named after Normans = "Norsement" ie Vikings.) However, these individuals are far & few between. Imagine for a moment what Berlin, London & Paris looked like prior to 1914.

17 posted on 09/30/2006 5:25:09 PM PDT by Chuck Dent
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"Sixty years of peace and prosperity has enfeebled the Europeans."

Perhaps decades of hiding behind America's military also weakened them.


18 posted on 09/30/2006 5:31:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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Oh, Yes. The West Germans got used to their high life style. Long vacations, trips to spas. They have hated sharing their wealth with the Ossies.


19 posted on 09/30/2006 5:34:36 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Chuck Dent
This strategy to upset America's war effort & take back political control is NOT based on some naive assessment of Islam.

I agree with your assessment and if they are successful in defeating Western Democracy they will ignore the "Rules of Engagement" they insist we follow and mercilessly destroy or make slaves of all Muslims.

20 posted on 09/30/2006 5:38:21 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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