[DungeonMaster]

Gothca, so by your definition then, a prostitute cannot be raped. Interesting notion. Does that mean a college girl who has sex with a couple of different guys in her freshman year also cannot be raped? Where do you draw the line?

You don't see a conflict here? First, do you consider prostitution a legitimate way to make a living? If he'd have given her 20 bucks instead of her suggested retail of 30 is it still rape? If a prostitute gets stiffed of her pay has she been raped? Get real.

[monday]

"If he'd have given her 20 bucks instead of her suggested retail of 30 is it still rape"

If he forced her, of course it's rape.

"If a prostitute gets stiffed of her pay has she been raped?"

..again if she was forced to have sex she was raped. What is so hard for you to comprehend? Do you really have no conscience?

Just because you don't like prostitutes doesn't mean you can abuse them. Do you always treat people you don't like as less than human?

[Alter Kaker]

First, do you consider prostitution a legitimate way to make a living?

Define "legitimate." Do I think that because a girl has become a prostitute she therefore forfeits all of her other rights? Of course not. You have no more right to rape a prostitute than you have to rape anybody else.

If he'd have given her 20 bucks instead of her suggested retail of 30 is it still rape?

It all depends on whether the specific sex act was consensual. Raping a prostitute and throwing $10,000 at her is still rape if she didn't consent.

If a prostitute gets stiffed of her pay has she been raped?

No. She's been cheated and robbed, not raped, as long as the sex was consensual. This is a pretty clear distinction. However, if the sex wasn't consensual, then it's rape.

[MarkL]

You don't see a conflict here? First, do you consider prostitution a legitimate way to make a living? If he'd have given her 20 bucks instead of her suggested retail of 30 is it still rape? If a prostitute gets stiffed of her pay has she been raped? Get real.

A prostitute, like any other woman, can make a choice to have sex of not, depending on what ever values she happens to have. Are you saying that coercing a woman into sex is OK if she's a prostitute? How about if she works as a dancer, and no, I don't mean a stripper. Let's say you decide you want to dance with her at a bar... So you coerce her to dance with her, threatening her if she doesn't. Is that OK too?

We're not talking about a situation where she agreed to have sex, then he refused to pay. This is a situation where he said, "give me sex or you go to jail.

You really don't see something wrong with that?

Mark

[supercat]

If he'd have given her 20 bucks instead of her suggested retail of 30 is it still rape?

If she asks for 30 dollars, the guy offers her 20, she grudgingly says "okay", pockets his money, and then performs sex acts for him, that's consensual and thus not rape.

If she asks for 30 dollars, the guy offers her 20, she refuses his money and he leaves, there is no sexual conduct and thus no rape.

If she asks for 30 dollars, the guy offers her 20, she refuses his money, and he forces her to have sex with her even after her refusal, that's rape whether he leaves her $20, $30, or even $10,000 afterward.