Posted on 09/29/2006 7:45:48 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
It is you trying dillute the meaning of "rape". Knock it off.
What am I missing here?
What are you missing? You're missing that he forced himself onto her...in my world, that's rape. Even Prostitutes get to say no...or maybe not in your world?
You and your friends have devalued "rape" to be nothing more than a difference of $10 or $20.
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With all due respect, newgeezer, I'm more than happy to devalue a word, as opposed to your complete devaluation of human beings. You have, with the stroke of your mighty keyboard, removed prostitutes from the protection of rape crimes. Hey, they're hookers, not like real people were involved, eh?
Your seeing this as a haggling over price is simply incomprehensible to me.
He stole what a hooker was selling.
The question becomes, "was she 'trying to sell it to him'" when he decided to have sex with her. If he had sex, and then refused to pay, without first mentioning he was a cop, then you might have a leg to stand on (but only with certain juries)... On the other hand, if he knew she was a prostitute, and showed his badge, telling her to have sex with him, otherwise it's off to jail, that WOULD be rape, as he's not giving her any choice.
BTW, since you didn't seem to like the "bank teller" analagy, what if this cop demanded free rides from a cabbie, under some sort of threat? In that case, it would be kidnapping.
But back to the matter at hand, the simple fact is that if a man forces a woman to have sex unwillingly, then it's rape, pure and simple.
Mark
No, as I see it, you are the one devaluing women who do not offer themselves for sale. The hookers devalued themselves. You're lumping the rest of womankind with the hookers by refusing to recognize the difference.
Although you obviously believe you're the one valuing human beings, you're not.
The settlement said he can't go for a police job in Mass. But, there may be state trooper openings in Arkansas....
Disgusting. What next? Arguing that blacks don't need to be on an equal footing in the eyes of the law? Or that pagans don't have property Rights?
Who else is "less than human" in your eyes?
Plain and simple BULLS**T!!!! I just had a thought... Let's say you decide that you want to have sex with a prostitute, where it's legal, in a NV brothel. I would have to say that you could assume that sex is being offered in such a place, wouldn't you? Now, let's say that you select a woman, and go back to her room and begin negotiating a price... And you can't come to an agreement. Are you telling me that if you force her to have sex at that point, then it's not rape? From things I heard, if that sort of thing happened, it would be the last time you had sex, and quite possibly the last time you did anything: There are lots of places to lose a body in the NV desert.
But again, are you telling me that if you forced a woman under those circumstances to have sex with you, or to perform some sort of sexual act that she didn't want to do, that would not be rape?
Mark
No, you and your friends are doing that. You need to see #125. With any luck, that will make my point clearer for you.
Knock it off.
LOL. What if I don't?
So, under your views, since a wife in generally expected to have sex with her husband, or at least, has in the past, a wife can't be raped by her husband?
Mark
If you know that a woman has "loose" morals, and has had sex with lots of guys, is it OK for him to have sex with her, against her will, since she's given it away to so many guys? Or would that be rape?
Mark
OK. You didn't care for my first analogy, that of the bank teller.
Try this one. Girl at the local pick up joint, every town has them. Not her first time there, if you know what I mean. She's "selling" it for drinks at the bar, and the price is "the old in-out". She's on her to the car at the end of the night, failing to have made the connection she was looking for. A guy approaches her, tells her what he wants, she says no, and he takes it anyway.
Theft or rape?
What if money is never mentioned? What if she decides that she's not interested in selling him anything because she doesn't like his looks, he smells bad, or for any other reason? If he forces her to have sex, when she didn't want to "sell it" to him in the first place, is it rape?
And you keep dodging the other question... If sex wasn't being offered to the cop in the first place, even though it was for sale to other people, i.e. non-police officers, is it rape?
From every one of your arguments I've seen so far, you're doing nothing more than trying to justify rape.
And no, I haven't been raped, but I do have a loved one who has. And it's a shatering experience for everyone involved, including the loved ones of the victim. Because the victim will never be the same, and never be able to have normal relationships with people ever again.
Mark
Wrong again sparky. It is you who is saying it's just peachy to rape a prostitute as she isn't really a full "woman" in your view and doesn't get to say "no" to rape.
LOL. What if I don't?
That's for the Mods to decide, but supporting a rapist, or excusing rape in general, would probably be frowned upon. Let's not find out shall we? Just stop trying to excuse the rape of a woman regardless of her "profession".
Certainly, if it's nothing more than fellatio at gunpoint, your hypothetical prostitute has not been raped, IMHO.
I seem to recall a thread, maybe a year or so ago, wherein the argument was that a wife cannot be raped. But it was like this thread. One or two guys arguing the indefensible.
you're certainly proving beyond a shadow of a doubt the sort of person you are...
Mark
I'm confident they—unlike some lesser FReepers around here—are wise enough to know that when they see it, "sparky."
Certainly, if it's nothing more than fellatio at gunpoint, your hypothetical prostitute has not been raped, IMHO.
Yup, you've proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt now.
You're a rape supporter. Not a person who just supports rapists, but believe that under certain circumstances, that women simply can't be raped.
Congratulations.
Mark
You've gotta be kidding me. Forced fellatio at gun point isn't rape? In what world?
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