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An excellent "Cliff-Notes" type summary and analysis of this seminal treatise of Islamic Jihadism.
1 posted on 09/28/2006 8:53:09 PM PDT by Dajjal
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global jihad ping

"Cliff Notes" to Qutb.

2 posted on 09/28/2006 8:54:22 PM PDT by Dajjal
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12th imam bump for later read.


4 posted on 09/28/2006 9:12:26 PM PDT by XR7
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If I understand correctly, Qutb's account of his American trip was actually in an earlier book, I wonder if there is a translation of this online.


5 posted on 09/28/2006 9:14:43 PM PDT by wideminded
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Qutb bump, however unfortunate.


6 posted on 09/28/2006 9:46:05 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Dajjal; Steel Wolf; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It is a bit more complicated Qutb was a member of the Muslim Brotherood in Egypt. I suppose that he is an ideological parent of Islamic Jihad. In so far as IJ joined Al Qaeda, which had been a fusion of Wahabbists and Salafists, Qutb's ideology would seem to have a tiny role. However, Qutb was a cosmopolitan and created ties to the Wahabbist Ikawan movement.

I think that more Americans should read Qutb. Qutb called us evil and decadent in the 1950's, largely because we treated women with respect. Those on the right who think that Islamic attacks are purely the result of Western Cultural Imperialism, trade, and American foreign policy are fooling themselves.
They hate us for not being Dhimmi and consider it a duty to conquer us.
7 posted on 09/28/2006 9:54:52 PM PDT by rmlew (DeathKlok Rules!)
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Posting a link to your essay on Qutb.

Islamic Revivalist : Sayyid Qutb and His Influence on Modern Islamic Fundamentalism
by Pyro7480

8 posted on 09/28/2006 10:10:32 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Thanks for the ping Dajjal.

Qutbs work is a cornerstone and highly influential basis for the modern islamic resurgenc, and Milestones is an absolute "must read" to understand the islamic ideology we are up against and why we can never ever appeased or be able to come to an amicable understanding with it's followers. It would be ill-advisable to even try as it would be perceived as more proof of our weakness.

Btw.. There was another Qutb thread on FReep titled "A Lesson in Hate" which examined Qutb on a more personal leval addressing the pent up ideological and sexual frustrations of this self-made outcast when he was in the States. I commented and added a couple of my favorite Qutb quotes from other sources:

Qutbs ranting about America contains obsessive and enlightening passages about those like him interpret the liberated role of women in western society who are in charge of their own sexuality.

Coming from his own primitive islamic background, he interpreted this as one of the offerings of "modernity" he could not understand or assimilate into. His ideology kept him a social outcast, so like many islmaic immigrants, he retreated further away from the ways of the kuffar, seeking help in deluded islamic fantasies.

His reading of the koran lead to antisemitic fantasies (Jews being "ape and pigs" - confirmed in his Koran commentary) explaining the condition of western society as he saw it. From Qutb's "Our Battle Against the Jews":

"The Jews are behind materialism, animal sexuality, the destruction of the family and the dissolution of society. Principal among them are Marx, Freud, Durkheim and the Jew Jean-Paul Sartre."

Of course, Qutb had no fondness of Christians or anyone else either.

"The unbelievers were of three kinds: adversaries in war, people with treaties, and Dhimmies. The people with treaties eventually became Muslims, so there were only two kinds left: people at war and Dhimmies."
The element of sexual frustration, Qutbs repressed sexual envy, and primitive coping mechanisms, is not to be overlooked... the article covers some of his obsession with his looks (his hair etc) and of American women with their "body’s seductive capacity... round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs... - and she shows all this and does not hide it." The last part is important.. all this was "available" but poor social misfit Qutb was left high and dry as they ignored him to chase "“wide, strapping chest[s] and ox muscles." In the "sexual jungle," Qutb, the ugly outsider who could not assimilate was not only at the bottom of the food chain. He was a reject.

This frustration with women in control of their own sexuality, free to choose and reject a mate as they pleased, probably played a key role in turning him all the more inwards towards islam and to reject and grow hatred towards the new culture he witnessed around him.

In a way, there are similarities with Yusof Islam, aka Cat Stevens. Stevens with his talent and fame and failed relationship with a Boston stripper, Qutb with his intellectual and literary prowess, both being made to look like fools by failed relationships or rejection by women they could not control or sexually subjugate.

In islam, they have a system and ideology to totally dominate a woman, the safety of hiding your woman away from potential competition and removing abilities to reject or disobey a husband.

For the weak, rejected man, or control freak, islam is the ideal answer. Allowing a woman equality or to dress as they want, pursue a career, and choose and reject her own partner is so terrifying to them that they would choose to be a slave of allah instead, so they may fall back on the laws of islamic society to enforce their womens submission and obedience to them.

My favorite Qutb quote once again, as it sums up the essence of his message:

"It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya (the ways of the infidels) which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system. Jahiliyyah, to whatever period it belongs, is Jahiliyyah; that is, deviation from the worship of One Allah and the way of life prescribed by Allah.

It derives its system and laws and regulations and habits and standards and values from a source other than Allah. On the other hand, Islam is submission to Allah, and its function is to bring people away from Jahiliyyah towards Islam. Jahiliyyah is the worship of some people by others; that is to say, some people become dominant and make laws for others, regardless of whether these laws are against Allah's injunctions and without caring for the use or misuse of their authority.

Islam cannot accept any mixing with Jahiliyyah. Either Islam will remain, or Jahiliyyah; no half-half situation is possible."


9 posted on 09/29/2006 2:23:19 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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More proof that Islam is a mental illness---->>>>

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/006458.html

Allah, the compassionate, the merciful

Here is Allah, the one and only God, the God other than whom there is no God, speaking his eternal unchangeable word through his prophet Muhammad:

For the wrongdoers we have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help, they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place. [Sura 18, Dawood translation.]

This is not a mere warning of punishment of hell, as we find in the Bible. Nor is it simple sadism, the sickness that derives pleasure from inflicting the maximum of pain on one’s enemies. It is hyper-sadism, sadism raised to the nth degree and eternalized. It is the kind of hyper-depravity that drove Saddam Hussein’s torturing sons and their henchmen, or the beheader Zarqawi and his followers, who, when we read a passage like this, are revealed not as Muslim extremists but as true followers of Muhammad.
Yet this “god,” this all-powerful projection of Muhammad’s hatred and vengefulness, is the god whom the Catholic Church in its 1965 Declaration Nostra Aetate (which Pope Benedict reiterated in St. Peter’s Square on September 20) calls “the one God,” and esteems Muslims for their adoration of him.


10 posted on 09/29/2006 2:32:49 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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bump for later reading.


11 posted on 09/29/2006 3:08:01 AM PDT by PogySailor (Media bias? What media bias?)
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To: Dajjal

Thanks for the ping and informative article/essay.


12 posted on 09/29/2006 3:33:49 AM PDT by odds
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Kudos for putting this up. Too few people know who this guy is...


13 posted on 09/29/2006 3:40:53 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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I highly recommend the book "Terror and Liberalism" by Paul Berman. He chronicles the development of apocalyptic and nihilistic and blood-infected movements from the french revolution to today, and locates radical islam in that trajectory; and he shows how Qutb's ideas are the cornerstone of radical islam's views.


18 posted on 09/29/2006 8:01:33 AM PDT by Remole
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Bookmarked.


19 posted on 09/29/2006 8:47:41 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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Very interesting, Sayyid Qutb and his "Milestones" (cliff notes). Thanks for the ping Dajjal.


21 posted on 09/29/2006 9:58:24 PM PDT by PGalt
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Just an advanced FYI that in 2007 Routledge Press will be publishing:

http://www.routledge.com/shopping_cart/products/product_detail.asp?sku=&isbn=9780415954259&parent_id=&pc=/
The Sayyid Qutb Reader
edited by Albert J. Bergesen

432 pp.
0415954258 (PB: $29.95)
041595424x (HB: $90.00)

Amazon says the publication date is March 31, but Routledge.com says it will be June 30.

22 posted on 11/14/2006 3:08:24 PM PST by Dajjal
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To quote Admiral Tom Moorer's comment after I gave him a copy of the parallel "Unlimited Warfare" to read and he read it:
"It's not like the didn't tell us what they intend to do."


25 posted on 11/14/2006 3:42:07 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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Knowing the Enemy
Jihadist Ideology and the War on Terror * Mary Habeck

After September 11, Americans agonized over why nineteen men hated the United States enough to kill three thousand civilians in an unprovoked assault. Analysts have offered a wide variety of explanations for the attack, but the one voice missing is that of the terrorists themselves. This penetrating book is the first to present the inner logic of al-Qa’ida and like-minded extremist groups by which they justify September 11 and other terrorist attacks.

Mary Habeck explains that these extremist groups belong to a new movement—known as jihadism—with a specific ideology based on the thought of Muhammad ibn Abd al- Wahhab, Hasan al-Banna, and Sayyid Qutb. Jihadist ideology contains new definitions of the unity of God and of jihad, which allow members to call for the destruction of democracy and the United States and to murder innocent men, women, and children. Habeck also suggests how the United States might defeat the jihadis, using their own ideology against them.

MARY HABECK is associate professor, School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University. She is coeditor of Spain Betrayed: The Soviet Union in the Spanish Civil War and The Great War and the Twentieth Century, both published by Yale University Press.


26 posted on 11/14/2006 3:49:57 PM PST by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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