Posted on 09/28/2006 2:22:59 PM PDT by neverdem
I would buy that if you could show me a pattern of RINO challengers getting party money over conservative incumbents.
To me the record is clear. Incumbents get protected no matter what. And that is to the detriment of those of us who prefer conservative policies.
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I see. Well, carry on with that, then.
IOW, they will block most, if not all, of the Dims' efforts. For this, we will return to the voting booth and reinstall the Republicans in office, and the sky will not have fallen.
You are so very wrong .
First off - if the Republicans are in the minority - they will have NO power to do anything. It won't matter then how "conservative" they are.
Secondly - about "they will block most, if not all of the Dims' efforts". Yeah - just like they blocked Bill Clinton selling the Chinese our missile technology, and just like they "blocked" Clinton's sorry response to the terrorist attacks ensuring a 9/11 would occur. Just like they "blocked" the Clinton's abuse of power - Travelgate, Filegate, etc.
After 9/11 we cannot and should not turn the security of our nation over to a bunch of pantywaisted bedwetting crybabies who will surrender to the terrorists in a heartbeat. All so you can teach the GOP a "lesson" - a lesson that could very well destroy our nation. Are you so blinded by your hatred of RINOs that you really can't see that?
A good analogy is that you are unhappy with your guard dog, because he is not vicious enough to scare off intruders. So you ship him off the the dog pound to teach him a lesson and replace him with a toy poodle. Meanwhile robbers can ransack your house to their heart's content, because your guard dog is being "taught a lesson".
And your thought is, well I can bring back my guard dog in 6 years, because by then he will have learned a valuable lesson and will be much more vicious. Meanwhile your house has been stripped bare and burned to the ground during that 6 years.
Yeah- that really makes sense, doesn't it?
Ever hear the expression: "throwing the baby out with the bath water"?
Let me see if I can help out a little here by using another anology. You hysterical "end of the world" types don't seem to "get" the fact this election is not the end of the game. There will be other elections in which conservatives will be able to motivate their team into taking the proper course. Sometimes a good coach will allow his team to set a direction he knows will probably fail in the short run, but will bring the team back to his game plan. As long as there's enough time left on the clock, coach will have the team hitting on all cylinders before it's too late.
So, are you implying it's too late to bring Pubbies back to the conservative game plan if they're allowed to wander in the wilderness a while???
Are you sure you wanted to say all that? I ask because, other than Travelgate and the first WTC attack, all of those events happened AFTER the Republicans became the majority party in both houses in 1994. Still want to continue that line of argument?
If you get into a cab and tell the driver to drive south, and 5 hours later he's still driving north, do you just sit quietly in the back seat and not say anything?
By doing so, you could be helping to keep us on the reservation.
The only reason I can think of for not helping is if you really believe porous borders through which terrorists can freely move, and federal spending that is crushing taxpayers and hurtling us toward bankruptcy, are both good things.
Senate shuns attempt to add agents
Since Clinton and Schumer are my Senators and Eliot Engel is my Congressman without any help from me, folks like me have come to depend upon folks in the rest of the country who understand that politics is the art of the possible. You have to play with the hand that you are dealt. When enemies make open declarations of their intent to kill Americans, I humbly submit that it's not the time for protest votes or staying home on election day.
Somehow, you and I are not communicating. Let me ask you a question.
Do you agree or disagree that the current porous borders make it possible for Islamists to enter the U. S. to be in a position to make terrorist attacks inside the U. S.?
yep some folk should digest before shooting off their mouth -
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Indeed, you don't seem to appreciate how suicidal that enabling the dems actually is. I didn't have to watch TV to see the World Trade Center on Sep 11, 2001.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you agree or disagree that the current porous borders make it possible for Islamists to enter the U. S. to be in a position to make terrorist attacks inside the U. S.?
IMHO, that now appears to be a red herring. Senate Moves Toward Action on Border Fence
Let me make it perfectly clear. I'm a registered Conservative in NY although on some issues I may seem libertarian. Open borders isn't one of those issues. I hate RINOs as much as anyone on this forum. Enabling dems in any fashion is a death wish.
All of what you say would make sense IF we were not at war. Maybe you don't realize just how dangerous our situation is. It is not a question of IF there will be another attack - merely WHEN. I for one, do not want the democrats in control of the congress when it happens again.
You may call me a "hysterical end of the world type" - but remember that's what many were called in the 1930s when they warned others about the Nazi threat. The Islamic threat is much more dire - it is only a matter of time before a dirty bomb or worse goes off in a major US city.
Do you really want Pelosi and Dingell in positions of authority when that happens? Especially since there is no guarantee that a Republican will be in the White House at the time.
Without 60 conservative votes in the Senate to preclude the modern version of the filibuster, you're lucky to get the Congress to move anywhere you want to go.
Yes - you are helping me prove my point. You are ignoring the fact that we have a presidential election in 2 years. Let's just say, for the sake of arguement, that you get your way and the democrats take control of the Congress this year. What happens in 2 years if Hillary wins the election? Or Kerry? Or Edwards?
What happens when we are attacked again with a nuclear device or biological/chemical weapons. (It's only a matter of time). Do you really want the Democrats in charge of everything when that happens?
I don't and I will do my best to make sure the dems don't seize control of Congress.
So-called conservatives that hope the dems DO win certainly don't help my confidence.
If you have your way - John Murtha will be Chairman of the House Defense Appropriations and John Conyers will be Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee - he has already made it very clear he wants to impeach George Bush. Won't that be just swell? - the nation going through another impeachment only THIS time it could happen while we are being attacked by those who want nothing more to destroy us.
I cannot understand how you can just ignore this scary scenerio by fixating on "teach 'em a lesson by booting them out of office."!
And how much sense does it make to leap into another cab that has a huge sign on it advertising the fact that it will only drive north?
Please stop misrepresenting, and even lying about, what I've posted. If you think you're not doing that, then please point to ANY PLACE I said that I've advocated this approach in order to "teach 'em a lesson", to use your words. You won't find it for the twin reasons that I've never said it, and I'm not advocating teaching them a lesson.
Second, if you were to actually read what I've posted, you'd know that what we are doing is playing hard ball politics, and you'd also know that it appears to be working. The pubbies are changing their behavior, and are passing legislation that is sufficiently acceptable, assuming there are no surprise turns between now and the end of this term.
Third, I am not proving your point. The fact that Republican majorities in both houses didn't stop Clinton from taking the extra-legislative actions you mentioned proves that if having the majorities in both houses couldn't stop The Impeached One, then being in the minority wouldn't be worse in the face of those types of events.
My wife listens to NPR on the alarm in the morning, so lately I have been treated to a more liberal view of the world than I am used to. The liberals are positively orgasmic over their chances of taking control of the Senate. According to the polls, they are right. I'm real #"(<!^@ scared of the possibility.
What most conservatives do not understand is that the mainstream press still sets the tone for much of what happens in Washington. We try to tell our politicians not to listen to the press, and just do what they should do, and yet they are scared of what the press will say. The whole Iraq war being the bad mistake of Bush and the quagmire that the left wants us to see it as is the result of relentless press coverage. Politicians listen to the crap, and act accordingly, to try to avoid negative press coverage. What we need is to see that it is the media that is the problem, with the agenda that dictates what our politicans do. You cannot blame the politicians for acting in their own self interest, when it comes to press coverage.
Look at Murtha. The only reason he is even considered for a post is that the press likes him. Look at McCain. The only reason that we Republicans might consider him as the top contender to be President is that the media likes him and gives him press coverage. We need to realize that the war is being won by the media, by demoralizing our voters, and demonizing or candidates.
The only way to win in the future is to somehow get a handle on the media. We need to stop buying newspapers, no matter how good the reason. Don't let a good sports page or classified ads be your excuse for buying a newspaper. Don't watch network news. Don't buy Time, Newsweek or any other news magazine. Don't watch MSNBC, don't watch the Sunday talking-head shows. Don't give to any public TV or radio pledge drives. And don't let them tell you who to vote for.
Please, for God's sake and the sake of our children, go to the polls and proudly vote Republican. We need you.
Let's just say that nobody is arguing that point. But then ask whether it is worse to leave things as they are with Republicans in charge, or to leave things as they are with the Democrats in charge? And just how unlikely is it for DU infiltrators to come to FR and post "Republicans pissed at Bush and Congress should not vote." As big as FR is, it seems a good strategy. /paranoia
False choice.
See my #139.
Histrionics aside, our nation is in greater danger from enemies we can sense, but possibly can't see, foreign and domestic. I submit he enemy within is probably a more formidable and immediate danger. Unless we can get our own house in order, we will rot from the inside long before radical Islam, or anyone else for that matter, can do us any significant damage.....and survive.
If you agree with this simple analysis, where would that tell us to apply our energies? How about reading our "leaders" the riot act??? That is to say, conservatives sent Pubbies to D.C. and most state houses; if they don't do the job, we can and will send 'em home. If they don't believe we have the will to do that, we might just as well go into the mosque building business. IMHO.
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