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To: Names Ash Housewares

Here's one for you from Halton Arp. He's the guy who discovered that redshift didn't equal distance and was refused telescope time for his discovery.

Such is how 'science' treats dissenters.

http://www.haltonarp.com/

Here's his Wiki entry for an easier read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halton_Arp

Then see Tifft for his work on 'quantized' redshifts, which mean that redshifts don't represent distance, but some other quality of the object.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift_quantization

There are a lot more opinions of the evidence that 'standard science' would admit.

These guys are particularly interesting.

http://www.holoscience.com/

Have fun...


621 posted on 09/28/2006 6:23:58 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan
Lets say its all wrong then for argument sake.

There is so much more evidence around us. The cratered moon, our own world with millennia of erosion, our cratered surface long gone, fossilized past life long gone, moving from simple to complex in the fossile record, there is just so much more evidence that things have been around a very long time.
There would have to be a massive willing conspiracy by so many for hundreds of years in so many different disciplines it is simply not possible.
But lets forget all that too, for argument sake.

Faith in the unseen, unmeasurable, unprovable is still required for belief in any religion.
I can't go there. That is my choice. I need evidence and sound theory tested by consensus. That is my nature, it is who I am, how I look at the world. And I am astonished at how much we have learned and what is yet to learn. Supernatural beings? entities? creators? animals? Which ones? There are thousands. And all of them the same when it comes to evidence of their existence. Faith. Isnt that the requirement of all such beliefs? I am just not wired that way. I however respect most people of different faiths. The country was founded by people of faith and most people hold belief in a creator. Most of the time it is a positive thing for society. Just not for me.
679 posted on 09/28/2006 8:29:06 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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