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To: Last Visible Dog

We are talking about species -- groups -- not individuals.

Species that do not reproduce but CAN are lions and tigers. Without our assistance, they'd never reproduce. That's why they are different species.


209 posted on 09/27/2006 2:34:17 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: stands2reason
Species that do not reproduce but CAN are lions and tigers. Without our assistance, they'd never reproduce. That's why they are different species.

So you are saying if two groups of animals CAN reproduce but don't are considered different species - OK - what are groups that CAN'T reproduce called?

Like I said earlier - can you provide any supporting evidence for your claims?

217 posted on 09/27/2006 2:44:42 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: stands2reason
We are talking about species -- groups -- not individuals.

Well I am guessing you have not reproduced with Pussy Cat Dolls (a group) (even though you could) - me neither - we are a group - what do you want to call out species?

....jeeze, it's a joke - lighten up.

232 posted on 09/27/2006 3:01:46 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: stands2reason

There are stories of this happening in the wild though. Then there's Ted, the rejected chimpanzee who had 47 chromosomes ~ somebody was doing some "testing" of the hypothesis with that little fellow.


258 posted on 09/27/2006 3:36:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: stands2reason; Last Visible Dog
Fertility levels for the hybrid animals (ligers, tigons, etc.) are far too low for replacement levels in the wild even if they did occur there. Not to mention they show a number of behavioral confusions reflecting the differences in how lions and tigers behave out there. An interesting genetic difference can lead to gigantism in ligers and runtiness in tigons. That is, at least one important growth hormone's gene is on the X chromosome in one species and the Y in the other.

They're speciated from each other, just not too long ago. If all we had were fossil skeletons, we'd have no clue that it had happened at all, BTW.

We have examples of even more recent and less complete speciation, such as rings species in birds and salamanders. Horses and donkeys are an example of a more complete speciation. (Mules and hinnys are almost always sterile.)

In fact, we have almost any degree of speciation and not-quite speciation one might expect if evolution were producing the diversity of life. What we don't see are any easy, natural groupings of created kinds unrelated to each other.

261 posted on 09/27/2006 3:40:33 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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