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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Wednesday 09-27-2006
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Posted on 09/27/2006 8:45:45 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

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Declassified Key Judgements from the April 2006 NIE Director of National Intellegence ^ | 09-26-06 | DNI

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Declassified Key Judgments of the National Intelligence Estimate .Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States. dated April 2006

Key Judgments

United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of al-Qa’ida and disrupted its operations; however, we judge that al-Qa’ida will continue to pose the greatest threat to the Homeland and US interests abroad by a single terrorist organization. We also assess that the global jihadist movement—which includes al- Qa’ida, affiliated and independent terrorist groups, and emerging networks and cells—is spreading and adapting to counterterrorism efforts.

• Although we cannot measure the extent of the spread with precision, a large body of all-source reporting indicates that activists identifying themselves as jihadists, although a small percentage of Muslims, are increasing in both number and geographic dispersion.

• If this trend continues, threats to US interests at home and abroad will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide.

• Greater pluralism and more responsive political systems in Muslim majority nations would alleviate some of the grievances jihadists exploit. Over time, such progress, together with sustained, multifaceted programs targeting the vulnerabilities of the jihadist movement and continued pressure on al-Qa’ida, could erode support for the jihadists. We assess that the global jihadist movement is decentralized, lacks a coherent global strategy, and is becoming more diffuse. New jihadist networks and cells, with anti- American agendas, are increasingly likely to emerge. The confluence of shared purpose and dispersed actors will make it harder to find and undermine jihadist groups.

• We assess that the operational threat from self-radicalized cells will grow in importance to US counterterrorism efforts, particularly abroad but also in the Homeland.

• The jihadists regard Europe as an important venue for attacking Western interests. Extremist networks inside the extensive Muslim diasporas in Europe facilitate recruitment and staging for urban attacks, as illustrated by the 2004 Madrid and 2005 London bombings.

We assess that the Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives; perceived jihadist success there would inspire more fighters to continue the struggle elsewhere.

• The Iraq conflict has become the .cause celebre. for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight. We assess that the underlying factors fueling the spread of the movement outweigh its vulnerabilities and are likely to do so for the duration of the timeframe of this Estimate.

• Four underlying factors are fueling the spread of the jihadist movement: (1) Entrenched grievances, such as corruption, injustice, and fear of Western domination, leading to anger, humiliation, and a sense of powerlessness; (2) the Iraq .jihad;. (3) the slow pace of real and sustained economic, social, and political reforms in many Muslim majority nations; and (4) pervasive anti-US sentiment among most Muslims.all of which jihadists exploit. Concomitant vulnerabilities in the jihadist movement have emerged that, if fully exposed and exploited, could begin to slow the spread of the movement. They include dependence on the continuation of Muslim-related conflicts, the limited appeal of the jihadists. radical ideology, the emergence of respected voices of moderation, and criticism of the violent tactics employed against mostly Muslim citizens. •

The jihadists. greatest vulnerability is that their ultimate political solution.an ultra-conservative interpretation of shari.a-based governance spanning the Muslim world.is unpopular with the vast majority of Muslims. Exposing the religious and political straitjacket that is implied by the jihadists. propaganda would help to divide them from the audiences they seek to persuade.

• Recent condemnations of violence and extremist religious interpretations by a few notable Muslim clerics signal a trend that could facilitate the growth of a constructive alternative to jihadist ideology: peaceful political activism. This also could lead to the consistent and dynamic participation of broader Muslim communities in rejecting violence, reducing the ability of radicals to capitalize on passive community support. In this way, the Muslim mainstream emerges as the most powerful weapon in the war on terror.

• Countering the spread of the jihadist movement will require coordinated multilateral efforts that go well beyond operations to capture or kill terrorist leaders. If democratic reform efforts in Muslim majority nations progress over the next five years, political participation probably would drive a wedge between intransigent extremists and groups willing to use the political process to achieve their local objectives. Nonetheless, attendant reforms and potentially destabilizing transitions will create new opportunities for jihadists to exploit.

Al-Qa’ida, now merged with Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi’s network, is exploiting the situation in Iraq to attract new recruits and donors and to maintain its leadership role.

• The loss of key leaders, particularly Usama Bin Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and al-Zarqawi, in rapid succession, probably would cause the group to fracture into smaller groups. Although like-minded individuals would endeavor to carry on the mission, the loss of these key leaders would exacerbate strains and disagreements. We assess that the resulting splinter groups would, at least for a time, pose a less serious threat to US interests than does al-Qa.ida.

• Should al-Zarqawi continue to evade capture and scale back attacks against Muslims, we assess he could broaden his popular appeal and present a global threat.

• The increased role of Iraqis in managing the operations of al-Qa.ida in Iraq might lead veteran foreign jihadists to focus their efforts on external operations. Other affiliated Sunni extremist organizations, such as Jemaah Islamiya, Ansar al- Sunnah, and several North African groups, unless countered, are likely to expand their reach and become more capable of multiple and/or mass-casualty attacks outside their traditional areas of operation.

• We assess that such groups pose less of a danger to the Homeland than does al- Qa.ida but will pose varying degrees of threat to our allies and to US interests abroad. The focus of their attacks is likely to ebb and flow between local regime targets and regional or global ones. We judge that most jihadist groups.both well-known and newly formed.will use improvised explosive devices and suicide attacks focused primarily on soft targets to implement their asymmetric warfare strategy, and that they will attempt to conduct sustained terrorist attacks in urban environments. Fighters with experience in Iraq are a potential source of leadership for jihadists pursuing these tactics.

• CBRN capabilities will continue to be sought by jihadist groups. While Iran, and to a lesser extent Syria, remain the most active state sponsors of terrorism, many other states will be unable to prevent territory or resources from being exploited by terrorists.

Anti-US and anti-globalization sentiment is on the rise and fueling other radical ideologies. This could prompt some leftist, nationalist, or separatist groups to adopt terrorist methods to attack US interests. The radicalization process is occurring more quickly, more widely, and more anonymously in the Internet age, raising the likelihood of surprise attacks by unknown groups whose members and supporters may be difficult to pinpoint.

• We judge that groups of all stripes will increasingly use the Internet to communicate, propagandize, recruit, train, and obtain logistical and financial support.


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To: A.Hun

War is hell....I wouldn't call what the south did "noble" either. The only reason south wanted to count slaves (even though they could not vote) as a person (rather than livestock, how they were seen) is to undermine the non-slave states who have more voters. DUmocrats wanted them counted in order to have a majority, but without a voice. Just so they could be in control.

If I recall, you had to be a LAND OWNER to vote when this country started.


681 posted on 09/27/2006 12:40:11 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: A.Hun

War is hell....I wouldn't call what the south did "noble" either. The only reason south wanted to count slaves (even though they could not vote) as a person (rather than livestock, how they were seen) is to undermine the non-slave states who have more voters. DUmocrats wanted them counted in order to have a majority, but without a voice. Just so they could be in control.

If I recall, you had to be a LAND OWNER to vote when this country started.


682 posted on 09/27/2006 12:40:12 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

And why did the South fight to secede in the first place?


683 posted on 09/27/2006 12:40:55 PM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (If you speak against your own, you have chosen the wrong side.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Also a Book was wrote on Secession by William Rawle that book upheld secssion William Rawle was a Yankee by the way


684 posted on 09/27/2006 12:42:31 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

If GOP loses this round, we may not have a country to worry about - who started what in 1860.


685 posted on 09/27/2006 12:42:49 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: RasterMaster

That's True


686 posted on 09/27/2006 12:43:38 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: A.Hun

Jefferson Davis was SELECTED not ELECTED!


687 posted on 09/27/2006 12:43:45 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: A.Hun; TexasPatriot8
You need to check your history Texas. Lincoln was resupplying Ft. Sumter with munitions, breaking his agreement with Jefferson Davis. He was warned that was an act of war and did it anyway. The flotilla of ships were spotted in New York when they were loaded. Lincoln

You need to check your facts A.Hun. Buchananna sent a single ship, the Star of the West, to replenish the supplies of the garrison. That ship was fired upon by the South. That was the 1st act of war.

688 posted on 09/27/2006 12:43:52 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: RasterMaster

The number of reps was set by the number of people. It was the North that decided slaves were only 3/5's human.

Women couldn't vote up North but were counted as human.


689 posted on 09/27/2006 12:44:30 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun; TexasPatriot8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_the_West

The Star of the West was a civilian ship used by James Buchanan to send supplies and reinforcements to Fort Sumter before the U.S. Civil War. The first shots of the Civil War occurred when the Star of the West was fired upon by Cadets of the Military College of South Carolina The Citadel (from Battery Greg on Morris Island) on January 9, 1861. This prevented the Star of the West from resupplying Major Robert Anderson's garrison at Fort Sumter.


690 posted on 09/27/2006 12:44:38 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: StoneWall Brigade
your 100% Wrong its not even funny

OK, so respond in kind. Give examples, links, anything.
691 posted on 09/27/2006 12:44:41 PM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (If you speak against your own, you have chosen the wrong side.)
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To: StoneWall Brigade; TexasPatriot8

TP is right. Strong emotions on the issue do not change facts just because one does not want to hear them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_the_West


692 posted on 09/27/2006 12:45:41 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: MNJohnnie

We're talking about a FEDERAL fort, aren't we?


693 posted on 09/27/2006 12:45:43 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Hey Yankee Johnnie The South sent people to talk peace with Lincoln in 61 he would never would meet them


694 posted on 09/27/2006 12:45:47 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: A.Hun
Lincoln was resupplying Ft. Sumter with munitions,

Perhaps it was a defensive resupplying because the South was arming up.
695 posted on 09/27/2006 12:46:47 PM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (If you speak against your own, you have chosen the wrong side.)
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To: MNJohnnie

That's wrong Johnnie...I'll find it for you. Regardless of one or a hundred ships, the fort was not to be reprovisioned. It and one other fort were to be ceded to the Confederacy. Lincoln reneged on the deal.

The city of Charleston had been providing the garrison there with food and water for a year.


696 posted on 09/27/2006 12:46:51 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: StoneWall Brigade
I'm mostly with you, but I'm a born and bread Texan for 34 years, and have no desire to live anywhere else. But no matter how much I LOVE the south and LOVE Texas, the reality is, the south of the 1860s is a dramatically different south then the south of today and the past 30 years, which until the 80s was owned by the racist black hating Democrats who pretended to give a rip about civil rights. The Civil War wouldn't have happened if the soon-to-be Confederate slave States would have respected the Constitution, knowing the non-slave States would outnumber the slave States, who would then vote to abolish slavery, and respect that. The southern Democrat controlled states chose not to do that, and instead decided to precipitate military action against the United States government by attacking Fort Sumpter in an unprovoked act of hostility against the United States and the Constitution. Lincoln did not start lining up military action against the South until that act of war and sedition. These facts can’t be disputed.

Since then, things have reversed. The racist intolerant minority frame of thought is now in the south, and in the 1860s, it was in the north. Just like the reality is the majority of racism in this country is in the blue State Northeast and west coast. You do not have the same mindset as the 1800s Southern Democrats, who took it on themselves to shred the Constitution and split the country with a preemptive strike against Fort Sumpter, knowing that they would soon be outnumbered in the Senate with impending new states being admitted to the United States which would be non-slave states. The Civil War wouldn’t have happend if the South, controlled by Democrats, would have respected rule of law, and submitted to the Constitution. Period. That’s really the bottom line. The frame of thought and belief structure of Lincoln is that of Reagan and is that which drives the south and the Republican conservative movement of the red States, whose backbone is the southern States. The founding fathers beliefs and the spirit of the Constitution being enacted shifted from the North to the South from the 1890s, to the 1970s. In that 80 years, the GOP has stayed constant and stood for the same things they always stood for; Constitutional enforcement, equality for ALL people, not some, and guiding the country with the fundamental Christian principals that allowed this nation to be founded. That mindset is today in the south, but back then it was the north and was led by Lincoln. I think this is very cut and dry.

697 posted on 09/27/2006 12:47:06 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Liberty must be defended, so the children of those who fell, can understand its value. Never forget.)
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To: A.Hun
That's why it's called the 3/5 COMPROMISE....pushed by DUmocrats as take it or leave it.
698 posted on 09/27/2006 12:47:28 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Confederacy was not a legitimate government....meeting with representives of the rebs is giving them credibility.

Like if GWB sat down with Zawahiri for a nice little chat.


699 posted on 09/27/2006 12:48:43 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: StoneWall Brigade
Hey Yankee Johnnie

Enough of your bigoted "Yankee" crap. You may not have much to learn about being a Southerner, but you obviously have a lot to learn about being an American.
700 posted on 09/27/2006 12:50:41 PM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (If you speak against your own, you have chosen the wrong side.)
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