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To: Amerigomag

The minority in the leg can't do anything.

Arnold's power came from his popularity, and far too many conservatives didn't turn out in 2005.

His more liberal behavior as of late can be traced DIRECTLY back to his crushing defeat at the 2005 special election. It cut the heart out of his credibility, and took away his most powerful negociating tool: That he'd go to the people to do what the legislature wouldn't.

Unfortunately, he gave the people in this state to truly change the direction of the state, and failed.

He screwed up the timing. He should have done it in 2004 when he was still popular instead of 2005 when there wasn't anything else going on and he could be the focus of the $100mil the unions used to beat him.


20 posted on 09/26/2006 6:31:59 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

"His more liberal behavior as of late can be traced DIRECTLY back to his crushing defeat at the 2005 special election. It cut the heart out of his credibility, and took away his most powerful negociating tool: That he'd go to the people to do what the legislature wouldn't.

Unfortunately, he gave the people in this state to truly change the direction of the state, and failed. "


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I agree with this.

But I don't agree that the timing was the main reason it got defeated.

It was another example of conservatives cutting off their nose to spite their face, they would have done in 2004 too.


27 posted on 09/26/2006 6:52:41 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: zbigreddogz
The minority in the leg can't do anything.

Suggest a review of California's constitution process.

far too many conservatives didn't turn out in 2005..

This remains the great urban myth promulgated by Republican moderates and liberals. There is no direct evidence of that contention beyond voter registration and nonpartisan participation stats.

His more liberal behavior as of late can be traced DIRECTLY back to his crushing defeat at the 2005 special election. It cut the heart out of his credibility, and took away his most powerful negotiating tool: That he'd go to the people to do what the legislature wouldn't.

Once again curious logic:

1) Liberal pursuits caused by a crushing, popular defeat in late 2005.
2) Disarmed by the electorate, he is forced to capitulate.

With regard to the executive, the legislative process involves the electorate every four years. Between election cycles, the constitutional, legislative process prevails. The legislative majority submits all but budgets and taxation to the governor for approval. If disapproved by the executive, the legislative minority then controls the process.

He screwed up the timing. He should have done it in 2004 when he was still popular instead of 2005 when there wasn't anything else going on and he could be the focus of the $100mil the unions used to beat him.

The single biggest mistake of Schwarzenegger's first term came in 2003, the day he took office. In a rush to be popular, he made a costly blunder because he acted impulsively. The consequences of that rush to judgment, wound through 2004 and by 2005 the Austrian had not only alienated the majority of his own party's membership, but also the vast majority of his Republican brethren in the state legislature. The die was cast. In the fall of 2005, for a second time in his short political career, he rushed the process again, supporting initiatives he neither proposed nor desired and then compounded the foolishness but staking his political career on a horse he didn't trust.

47 posted on 09/26/2006 7:40:46 PM PDT by Amerigomag (ral)
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To: zbigreddogz
You're absolutely right about the reform agenda. It should've come a year earlier when the opposition were still off balance. He got bad advice from the Wilson crowd.
52 posted on 09/26/2006 9:03:39 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Support Arnold-McClintock or embrace high taxes, gay weddings with Angelides.)
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