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Colo. Judge Grudgingly Approves Machine Vote (Admits the Machines are Flawed)
The Washington Post ^ | September 23, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 09/26/2006 12:01:39 PM PDT by kenn5

DENVER, Sept. 22 -- A judge on Friday chastised state officials for botching efforts to ensure that electronic voting machines are tamper-proof, but he cleared them for use in the November election, saying it is too late now to change course.

Denver County District Judge Lawrence A. Manzanares said the secretary of state's office had violated state law by failing to come up with minimum security standards for the machines. He added that the office had done an "abysmal" job documenting which tests were performed on the machines and should not have allowed computer manufacturers to vouch for the security of their own products.

The judge said, however, that he would not bar the machines with the election just six weeks away and county clerks warning that they might not have time to print enough paper ballots.

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Our democracy is threaten by insecure electronic voting machines. What is interesting here is that the judge allowed the machines for use in the November elections even though he admits that they are not tamper-proof.
1 posted on 09/26/2006 12:01:40 PM PDT by kenn5
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To: kenn5

The dims learned their lesson is 2000--won't make the same mistakes with hanging chads this time around!


2 posted on 09/26/2006 12:07:33 PM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (Those who would bash Osteen/Warren would support HAMAS)
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To: kenn5

Electronic voting machines will put the fox in the henhouse.
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3 posted on 09/26/2006 12:08:47 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: kenn5

I am afraid of Nov 2008 elections with voting machines. Too many dangers of HACKERS. My kids knew how to hack any system by age 14. No they don't do it, but anyone can HACK the voting machines.


4 posted on 09/26/2006 12:10:25 PM PDT by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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You can falsify paper ballots more easily than you can fasify electronic ones.

Tired of all this DU-paranoiac Luddite garbage.

5 posted on 09/26/2006 12:10:31 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: kenn5

The truth is that even though there are some POSSIBLE flaws with electronic voting, is is much more secure against vote fraud by paper ballot. That is why you have all these liberal groups wanting to go back to paper ballots so the democrats can stuff the ballot box and rob you of your voting rights like they did in the old days.


6 posted on 09/26/2006 12:14:18 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: wideawake

See my post #6.


7 posted on 09/26/2006 12:14:43 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: wideawake

"You can falsify paper ballots more easily than you can fasify electronic ones."

Nope.


8 posted on 09/26/2006 12:15:54 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: kenn5
What is interesting here is that the judge allowed the machines for use in the November elections even though he admits that they are not tamper-proof.

Should he call off the election until then?

9 posted on 09/26/2006 12:18:57 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Precisely.

You can steal paper ballots and replace them with other pieces of paper. As long as you can do it in secrecy, no one will be the wiser.

A computer harddrive with a randomly generated digital identity matched with a serial number cannot be easily replaced on a moment's notice. And they are extremely difficult to erase - the only way to hide the evidence is to destroy the original and replace it with an identical physical copy that also has a matching randomly generated difital signature - extremly difficult to do on the fly during a contested election.

10 posted on 09/26/2006 12:19:48 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: kenn5; All

Fox News Channel showed a PERFECT demonstration of how the fraud worked.

PREFECT.

They did a fictional ract between George Washington and Benedict Arnold.

They did THREE votes for washington and ZERO votes for Benedict Arnold.

The virus infected machine said the vote tally was ONE vote for Washington and TWO votes for Benedict Arnold.

It was a Dibold touch screen machine. It was the same type and style used throughout the nation.

A recount would recount to the fraud result.


11 posted on 09/26/2006 12:20:21 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Shermy
You certainly can.

All you need to do with paper ballots is mark an identical number up the "right" way, and shred the real ones. Easy as pie.

With electronic voting, you need to be able to physically replace an encoded hard drive using an identical algorithm that was randomly generated - something that is not only difficult to do, but highly impractical.

You steal an election by magically finding a few extra paper ballots in a closet. You can't magically find a new hard drive that identically matches an existing one and switch it out on the fly.

12 posted on 09/26/2006 12:23:45 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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You need to get a virus on the machine first.

It's much easier to falsify paper ballots.

13 posted on 09/26/2006 12:25:12 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: All; KC_Conspirator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JESZiLpBLE


This is the YouTube clip of the Fox News clip where

THEY ACTUALLY REAL TIME DEMONSTRATED THE FRAUD.

This is like the time rush ran the wire through the puch cards.

The is serious! (not to be confused with ceral for those in rio linda)


14 posted on 09/26/2006 12:34:20 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: KC_Conspirator

I know that there is not a completely secured voting system. However, it seems like mass fraud can be perpetrated with these electronic voting machines. At least there is a paper trail with paper ballots.


15 posted on 09/26/2006 12:39:52 PM PDT by kenn5
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To: wideawake
You can falsify paper ballots more easily than you can fasify electronic ones
You need many conspirators to falsify paper ballots. One or two can get the job done for electronic voting machines.
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16 posted on 09/26/2006 12:42:14 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: wideawake

ok I will give you that.

HOWEVER,

With the electronic you only need ONE person in the chain to achieve the fraud.

With paper you need help.

ONE persone infects the virus and the virus self deletes leaving only the fruad as the only record.


17 posted on 09/26/2006 12:42:52 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: KC_Conspirator

The machines are not as flawed as the ones who are voting!


18 posted on 09/26/2006 12:50:14 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: longtermmemmory

Ok, from that video, it was not clear how the virus was transferred to the voting machine. Regardless of what technology is used, albeit paper, mechanical, or computer, the need for physical security cannot be overstated. In any situation, I can see the ability of a single individual being able to pull this off.

I wonder what the base OS is on these machines? I hope it is not M$ based...hehehe Maybe the manufacturer can incorporate some checksum calculations or some other means to ensure the machines have not been tampered with.


19 posted on 09/26/2006 12:56:30 PM PDT by DonaldC
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To: longtermmemmory
the virus self deletes

Correct, but there are always telltale traces on the hard drive which are susceptible to forensic analysis.

Many, many child porn offenders are in prison because they thought they had used state-of-the-art overwriting software to wipe their hard drives, but federal hardware experts were able to reconstruct images that had been wiped in binary several hundred times.

And you cannot wipe a defrauded election machine drive even once, because you will erase the fake votes along with the virus. You basically have to hope that no one suspects anything fishy, because once there's an investigation, you're toast.

It's even easier to find the culprit because, as you say, a single person can pull this off and the chain of custody is a matter of record.

20 posted on 09/26/2006 12:58:32 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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