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Krauthammer: Turning up Jewish (everyone is Jewish until proven otherwise)
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| 09/25/06
| Charles Krauthammer
Posted on 09/25/2006 9:56:31 AM PDT by presidio9
Edited on 09/25/2006 10:02:37 AM PDT by Admin Moderator.
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To: presidio9
George is very fortunate. He's just found out that the Holy Torah, the blueprint of the universe, is his birthright.
Take it easy, George, but begin observing. And clobber that Scots-Irish Democrat turncoat!
'Ashrei ha`am sheHaShem 'Eloqayv!
To: elcid1970
I learned that my maternal great-grandfather was Jewish. I thought this explained my affinity for Israel but I was told by a rabbi, "You're not Jewish, since your great-grandmother wasn't. Jewishness can only be passed down through the maternal line." I'm confused. Any definitive opinion out there?
If your mother was Jewish, then you're Jewish. If your father was Jewish but your mother wasn't, then you're not Jewish (unless you convert).
That's the Halakhah.
To: presidio9
Unless the Jews invaded the British Isles, Ireland and Scotland before William the Conqueror, I don't qualify. I am, however, a Zionist.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:14:39 PM PDT
by
Poser
(Willing to fight for oil)
To: Zionist Conspirator
OK, I guess I'm not Jewish. But I love and support Israel.
Can I still be a Zionist?
To: goldstategop
Allen would be barred because he's adopted another religion. elcid1970's great-grandfather wouldn't help. A single grandfather would be enough, presuming you hadn't adopted another religion, something easily lied about if one wanted to emigrate to Israel. For those who are not practicing Jews, those qualifications are based on what was necessary to be persecuted under the Nuremburg Laws.
. Not really. Judaism defines who is a Jew through the mother. As I noted, I don't think re-conversion is necessary since one can never lose what one always was to begin with. I was responding to the question of emigration to Israel, as an acknowledged Presbyterian hed be barred. Under the Nuremburg laws, and to some people on the internet, hed be a Jew irrespective of his beliefs. He, his mother, his family would have been sent to the camps.
IMO, although it seems like I post on it weekly, generally this isnt a real world issue. In my view, from a practical standpoint, if George Allen says hes a Presbyterian, hes a Presbyterian. Yes, his status might be different as a member of the Jewish community, but hes making no attempt to assume that role. And might differ by denomination. Whether he or his mom are Jews, heretics, isnt relevant in the real world.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:30:26 PM PDT
by
SJackson
(The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
To: elcid1970
Might explain your affinity for Israel, but yeah, Jewishness is passed down through the maternal line or through formal conversion, and through practicing the faith, or not espousing another faith (if you are born into it).
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:33:12 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: Gumdrop
I don't see why Jewish ancestry should be a problem with the voters. The problem is if he/she is a secular-liberal politician, rather whether he/she is Jewish ornot. I don't either. Given the way the issue has been raised, and the Webb campaign attacks on their Jewish primary opponent, the business anti-Christ, it's clear the Webb campaign considers it a viable issue. In Allen's case, I'd guess it's both from the perspective of letting those in Virginia who won't vote for a Jew his background, as well as suggesting to normal voters that perhaps he's embarassed by his background, thus antisemitic himself. Ties in well with the accusations of racism.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:33:25 PM PDT
by
SJackson
(The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
To: river rat
A lot ended up in Canada. A surprising percentage of Canadian Jews vote Conservative.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:34:05 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: The Louiswu
That definitely counts for him. ;p
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:34:57 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: Gumdrop
On the other hand, being a German-Catholic, conservative American may have strong negative consequences, since there are three strikes against it and 3 strikes and you're out!!!!!!! Probably more German Catholics as a percentage in Wisconsin than anywhere. Plenty of Polish Catholics too. Liberals of course, not conservatives, and look what happens, they elect two Jewish Senators. Go figure.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:35:05 PM PDT
by
SJackson
(The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
To: familyop
Their is the way for some, but we shouldn't be encouraged (by celebrities like Allen) to impersonate or to even intentionally imply impersonation. Learning is wonderful enough. Of course, that's only a non-Jewish student's opinion on my part.Allen's not impersonating, he's declaring he's Presbyterian, which he is.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:36:19 PM PDT
by
SJackson
(The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
To: freedomson
Yep. ;p Sorry. There's actually 13 principles out there of Maimonides, who sum it up pretty well.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:37:14 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: docbnj
That seems like a good system.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:38:57 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: airborne
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:39:41 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: fishtank
He would have. Formal conversion counts. ;p Ruth converted, if thats what you are referring to.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:43:17 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: justiceseeker93
Rabbi Lapin is pretty good.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:44:12 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: freedomson
"Thanks for taking the time to site those passages, I will study all of them and get back to you, if you don't mind."
Be sure to read more text around them, too, to get the truthful context. ...for example, who "son of man" refers to (not what many people are erroneously told). It's easy enough to find for oneself that the Prophets did not say or write "types and shadows" as often alleged.
To: ElPatriota
;) Seinfeld was awesome. Although, I think half the characters are catholic. I'm fairly sure George is. And I was under the impression Kramer was too.
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:46:39 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: Ditter
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:48:06 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
To: elcid1970
Why, we can be zionists together, FRiend. ;)
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posted on
09/25/2006 3:49:44 PM PDT
by
Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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