[fantom]

Right. The best they can muster is the ladder argument. Weak. i wouldn't say it's a victory for the neanderthals, more like a defeat for those who depend on illegal cheap labor to survive. Let's not forget those who believe America can not go forward unless she is driven by a huge underclass.

[FastCoyote]

"The best they can muster is the ladder argument. Weak."

Incredibly weak. An analogous statement would be "why bother with locks on your door, since there's always someone who can pick your lock"