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Has the bubble burst?
News and Review ^ | Sep 21 06 | Sasha Abramsky

Posted on 09/22/2006 8:47:25 PM PDT by churchillbuff

In mid-2004, John and Karen Philbrook bought a home in Sacramento’s North Highlands neighborhood, when buying a house seemed like a sure ticket to security. They opted for an interest-only, adjustable-rate mortgage and counted on the value of their house continuing to rise as a way to build up equity. ...

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In 2004, Karen and John realized their dream by buying a house in the North Highlands section of Sacramento that’s situated several miles northeast of downtown. It’s a small, three-bedroom bungalow, with a brick chimney running down its wooden exterior. With John’s two jobs and Karen’s at Safeway, the Philbrooks believed they could manage the mortgage. They were on their way to building their own personal American Dream and creating a secure future for their young daughter, Nicole.

“We prayed and prayed and prayed to have a home,” recalled John, a large, suntanned man, his muscular arms highlighted by a sleeveless blue vest as he sat in his backyard. “This is perfect for us. I come out here, throw up my hammock and lay out here on a Sunday afternoon. It’s perfect. It’s like a park back here. We’ve got fruit trees: oranges, plums, a pear tree there. Those are pistachios.”

“I could own a dog now,” Karen said, recalling her sense of elation when they moved in. “Having a place we could call our own. Not having to worry about apartment rules. Total freedom. It felt really nice to have our own place--we’re achieving something in life.”

For John, it seemed a perfect story of redemption, perhaps even a quintessential American story of second chances and reinvented lives. Then, earlier this summer, a note from the Philbrooks’ mortgage broker arrived in the mail. Overnight, the note informed them, their monthly payment was increasing by close to $500. And the Philbrooks, who had about $900 saved up for their daughter’s future, a few hundred more for emergencies and nothing in reserve beyond that, realized their entire dream now stood ready to fall.

Over the past year, as interest rates have risen and for-sale houses have sat unsold for months, much has been written on various aspects of the housing market.

Journalists and analysts--not to mention homeowners or potential buyers--want to know: Is the current slowdown just a blip in an otherwise vibrant market, or is it the end of a decade-plus bubble? Will national trends be magnified in Sacramento’s suburbs, which have seen startling appreciation in house values in the recent past? Will the air in the bubble gradually leak out, giving people time to adjust their expectations and their financial planning, or will it burst spectacularly? Will interest rates continue edging upward? If so, will the real-estate market collapse, when it becomes impossible for new buyers to make offers that are acceptable to sellers who bought homes when rates were low and prices were high?

Much of the ink spilled on this has examined these issues as a series of isolated problems. It’s becoming clear, however, that the problems are interlocking. Indeed, there’s a fear voiced in real-estate circles that some parts of the country, including Sacramento, might be facing a perfect storm in which the true losers are families who borrowed cavalierly without adequately crunching the numbers. Families like the Philbrooks--who, at the urgings of sometimes-unscrupulous mortgage brokers, seriously over-extended themselves at the height of the housing boom--now will pay a high price for reaching toward the American Dream.

This summer, analysts delivered bad news for Sacramento. It’s now one of the five riskiest housing markets in the country, according to a report issued in June by PMI Mortgage Insurance Co. Factoring in home prices, wages in the local labor market, local unemployment rates and the percentage of families’ average monthly income now spent on covering home costs, PMI predicted that there was a 58.5-percent chance home prices would decline in the next two years. That number was up from 41.9 percent a year earlier, already a far higher risk rate than in much of the rest of the country. Sacramentans, the report warned, paid 30 percent more as a percentage of their monthly income toward housing in 2006 than they did in 1995 before housing prices spiraled so sharply upward.

Another blow came that same month, when National City Corp. estimated that the Sacramento housing market was severely overpriced--along with 39 percent of the 317 U.S. markets included in the survey--to the extent that it was at risk for a price correction.

How are Sacramentans paying for this?

“We think people are stretching by getting different kinds of mortgages, what Alan Greenspan called the 'exotic’ mortgages,” said PMI’s Beth Haiken. “We do know these mortgages have become much more popular in the last few years. They give you a lower payment in exchange for additional risk. They all work by transferring risk to the borrower--higher-interest balloon payments.”

“You’re seeing people who were living off the equity in their house. It worked real good for three or four years,” said attorney Scott Coben, a bankruptcy specialist who works out of an airy office, built around an inner, roofed atrium decorated with palms and tropical plants, in downtown Sacramento. Seeing their houses keep appreciating, Coben explained, homeowners borrowed against the increased paper value of their property, essentially living off the promise of an eternally rosy real-estate environment. “But now the gravy train is coming to an end. They’ve got the credit cards, crazy loans, 40-year mortgages, and they’ve done refinancing. A lot of them are going to lose their homes.

“People were just totally unrealistic about real estate--refinancing to sustain their lifestyles, or people who got in the game late took out horrible loans to get real estate,” Coben said. “They’re getting killed now.”

“There are a lot of properties on the market now where I see people in that position,” asserted Patti Priess, a local Dunnigan realty agent. “All of a sudden, in a market where foreclosures were not the norm, I’m seeing in the comments 'pending foreclosure.’”

By the early months of the summer, 1,352 Sacramento County homes had default notices filed against them in the second quarter of the year, the highest number in nine years, according to DataQuick Information Systems, a La Jolla company that tracks California’s real-estate market. Surrounding counties also saw significant increases in default activity. That represents an increase from the previous year of 109 percent, while across California foreclosures increased only 67 percent, according to Foreclosures.com. RealtyTrac Inc. ranks the capital region as the second-highest area in the state in terms of foreclosures.

John Philbrook relaxes in the park-like perfection of his own backyard. Photo By Larry Dalton

Some homeowners, while escaping foreclosure, are being driven out of the real-estate market entirely. One couple Priess represents moved to Palo Alto, put their Sacramento house up for sale and watched in horror as the market softened and the house remained unsold. “They’ve been in Palo Alto unable to purchase a new home, and their house here is empty. And we’ve reduced the price and reduced the price,” Priess said. Still, they have been unable to sell it.

The number of people looking to declare Chapter 13 bankruptcy as a way to avoid foreclosure is mushrooming, Coben said. While the filer’s credit goes into the toilet, bankruptcy allows some breathing room to set up payment schedules and avoid losing everything.

The attorney also says he’s seeing an increase in what are known in the real-estate business as “short sales.” In a short sale, the lender gets less than the amount owed on the loan. It’s a better-than-nothing alternative for the lender and often an only alternative for the homeowner or borrower. Short sales strive to avoid a situation like the following. Because most banks issue mortgages for only 80 percent of the home value, some cash-strapped buyers take out second loans to finance the entire cost of their homes. If buyers with these kinds of cobbled-together loans default on their mortgages, the home is sold under foreclosure, and the second lender typically forfeits its lien, losing everything. To avoid this situation, Coben explained, the second lender agrees to a “short sale.” The home is sold quickly at a low price, and the lender of the second mortgage accepts a discounted payment. It allows an escape for the borrower, but the price is temporarily wrecked credit, no money left over from the sale and a tax obligation of thousands of dollars, since the government counts the money not paid back to the second lender as income paid to the borrower.

Borrowing 100 percent of the cost of a home in a changing market may not be the most serious problem some homeowners currently face. A slew of “exotic” mortgage options add their force to the “perfect storm” some argue has hit Sacramento’s housing market. Many of the individuals most at risk took out Option Adjustable Rate Mortgages. These allow borrowers to make monthly payments for a temporary period of time that don’t even cover the interest accruing on their loan. The unpaid interest gets tacked onto the loan, and many buyers never notice the fine print stating that after a couple of years their interest rates will soar. Others bought a variety of loan products, including large loans against future appreciation in equity taken out by some longtime homeowners that are proving risky in a climate of market slowdowns and interest hikes. Still other borrowers, like John and Karen, agreed to interest-only mortgage payments on loans covering 100 percent of the cost of their homes but which don’t permit for the accumulation of any ownership capital in the property they are paying a mortgage on.

In the Philbrooks' case, John and Karen borrowed almost the entirety of the $244,000 cost of their modest North Highlands home: One loan was written for $195,000 at 6.375-percent interest; another financed the remainder of nearly $45,000 at 9.125 percent. The rate on the small loan was fixed. But on the large loan, the rate was fixed for only two years, and after that it was variable.

John said the Realtor who arranged the loan verbally assured him it would never go up by more than a quarter of 1 percent at any time. In fact, in the (very) small-print clauses attached to that loan were four poison-pill provisions.

Having not understood the small print of their contract, the Philbrooks were unaware that the loan’s rate would never be lower than its starting rate--meaning all the risk attached to the variable rate fell on them. Neither did they fully understand that the interest rate could never go up by more than 1 percent in a given month, except for the first increase, when it could leapfrog to 9.375 percent in one go, and from then on rise incrementally to a maximum of 12.375 percent. They weren’t aware that their variable rate was tied not to the prevailing mortgage rates but to a market index based out of London, which circulates money at a far higher rate of interest than does the fixed-rate-mortgage market. The final poison pill--a $7,300 penalty if they chose to seek new financing during the first three years--discouraged the Philbrooks from refinancing once high rates kicked in. Not understanding the first three provisions, the couple were not fully appreciative of the dangers of this refinancing clause.

What does all of this mean? When the contract is teased apart, it’s clear the Philbrooks signed a real-estate deal guaranteed to boomerang back on them two years later in a staggeringly unpleasant way. “Life’s a losing gamble without Jesus,” reads the decal on the bumper of the Philbrooks’ old pickup truck, part of a package of religious iconography that dots the family’s vehicles as well as the walls of its house. Quite possibly, the Philbrooks’ failure to read the fine print represents a similarly blind roll of the dice.

On the day of the couple’s 14th wedding anniversary, John said, “We got a notice saying the payment had increased from 6.375 percent to 9.375 percent in just one month.” Sitting at his small dining-room table, he recalled his startled reaction that day: “Oh my gosh. How am I going to pay the mortgage? What am I going to do with my family? I can’t afford this.”

Overnight, the monthly payment on the $195,000 loan went from $1,350 to $1,841. Factor in the payment on the smaller, second loan, and the Philbrooks now were paying $2,250 a month servicing their mortgage. Since Karen and John bring home a total of about $4,000 after taxes each month from their three jobs, this was a crushing burden. Add in two hefty car payments, utilities and insurance bills, and that didn’t leave much left over for such necessities as food.

“This was our first time purchasing a house,” Karen said. “When the interest rates went up, we were told it would go up just a little bit. When it went up more than that, it went up nearly $500. My husband had to get a third job, give up his Sundays. It made me feel like, 'Wow, you can’t trust anybody anymore.’”

Undoubtedly, John and Karen were staggeringly naive in signing such a contract. The problem is that the Philbrooks aren’t alone. During the heady days of this most recent real-estate boom, increasing numbers of people borrowed 100 percent of the costs of their homes. And since banks are reluctant to finance such risky mortgages, frequently these homebuyers ended up signing contracts with fly-by-night operators whose profits, while legal, were largely generated by convincing clients to sign dubious deals such as the one bought into by John and Karen. With today’s shifting real-estate sands, those contracts are starting to hurt, and badly.

“Loan officers, they’ve replaced car salesmen as the shadiest people you deal with,” John said, bitterly.

As the summer unfolded, staving off insurmountable bills and foreclosure on their home became the Philbrooks’ overriding priority. They wouldn’t, couldn’t, accept that a dream they’d adhered to so obstinately was rapidly becoming a nightmare.

“I told my wife, 'We’re not going to lose this place,’” John said in early August, with a determined, if somewhat hollow, optimism. “I’m not going to do anything illegal ever again, but I’m not going to lose this. I’ll get a third job. I don’t want this to be taken from us.”

John applied for yet more employment, eventually getting an offer to work another several nights a week as a security guard at a local country club. Ultimately, he wouldn’t have to start this job. If he had, though, he would have been working well over 80 hours a week, missing several nights’ sleep and hardly ever seeing his daughter. It was a steep price to pay, but for John and Karen it seemed the only way to keep their house.

“[The realty company we chose to sell our house] gave us a sign last week. But we haven’t put it up yet. I guess we’re embarrassed. My wife’s humiliated that our neighbors will see we’re selling our home. I don’t want to rent my whole life. As corny as it sounds, it’s the American Dream--it’s the dream for most people. I don’t think we’ll lose our house, because we’re praying for it. And I don’t think God would leave us like that.”

Reluctantly, the Philbrooks put their house up for sale, listing it at $279,000. At that price, they would be able to walk away from their venture into Sacramento’s housing with a few thousand dollars in their pocket. If it sold for less than the asking price, however, they’d start losing money on the whole deal. Worst case: They couldn’t sell at all, a not-unlikely scenario in a housing market glutted as of the end of June with more than 16,000 homes for sale in the surrounding region--a more than 60-percent increase since the start of the year. In that case, they’d lose their house to the mortgage company and go into bankruptcy in the process. That fear explains why they readily listed their house for $21,000 less than its appraised value of $300,000.

“Because there’re so many houses on the market right now,” John explained. “After we’d paid all the fees and stuff, we’d probably come out with $10,000.”

As it turned out, the Philbrooks were lucky. After working the phones and approaching several different brokers, they managed to get a new mortgage in August. They ditched their interest-only, variable-rate mortgage and locked in a 30-year, fixed-rate loan at a little over 6 percent.

But luck in this uncertain market is more a matter of not losing everything than of actually coming out ahead. In fact, the Philbrooks’ two-year venture into Sacramento real estate will, over the decades of their mortgage, cost them a huge amount more than they’d originally anticipated.

After two years of making monthly payments that covered only the interest on their $240,000 initial debt, they now had to borrow to pay the $7,300 opt-out provision and cover the debts they’d incurred during the chaotic summer of 2006. In the end, they borrowed $260,000--$16,000 more than the initial cost of the house--at a higher rate of interest than they were paying when they first bought the house in 2004.

Since they weren’t paying anything toward the principal of their mortgage between 2004 and 2006, they didn’t have any more equity when they refinanced in 2006 than when they moved in. For those 24 months, all John and Karen had done was pay close to $2,000 a month servicing their debt. This was a far higher monthly payment than if they had been renting during this time.

And to cap it off, instead of only having 28 years of mortgage payments left, they were back to square one, owing 30 years of payments at an additional $150 a month, making for an extra $54,000 in payments (spread over three decades) more than their first mortgage. By any measure, this wasn’t exactly a sound business proposition.

“I don’t feel secure,” Karen admitted. “I feel like I have to keep my house. I feel grateful, though, that we’ve come this far. But I don’t feel as secure as before. I feel I have to pay more attention, be more alert, watch the spending and everything now. I can’t relax.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: bubble; bubblebrigade; depression; despair; doom; doomedweredoomed; dustbowl; grapesofwrath; hoovereconomy; housing; housingbubble; neville
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To: RockinRight
Yep. In the South, home prices are still affordable. You can buy a big house for a fraction of what you'd pay in California and New York. I'm amazed people think they'll be able to pay off the house in 30 years. They won't. When homes originally sold for $15,000, yeah you could finally own them free and clear one day. Not anymore.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

221 posted on 09/23/2006 6:33:52 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: rebel_yell2

>Greenspan recently wrote an article (UFB! with coauthors) about how overpriced 30-year fixed rate mortgages are relative to ARMS.<

With rates still near historic lows? I look at a fixed rate on a mortgage as a kind of insurance against the possibility we get another disaster of a president, a la Carter, and that interest rates spiral back into double digits.


222 posted on 09/23/2006 6:34:59 AM PDT by Darnright (http://media.putfile.com/Webb-on-Allen)
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To: churchillbuff

Another episode of "The Idiots Who Bought Too Much House."

I'd like to see a poll on how many of these people voted for John Kerry.

The past five years, a lot of people have said to me, "Why don't you get a bigger home in one of those new subdivisions. You can afford it."

Perhaps, but I'm not a slave to my mortgage and have a nice little weekend place on the lake with over 50 percent equity in both.


223 posted on 09/23/2006 7:07:56 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: stainlessbanner

"They could buy a $60k home in fly-over country. California dreamin'"

Isn't it amazing? Sure, wages are probably higher, on average, in the sky high real estate areas, but I doubt that they are proportionally higher. I've seen several houses in this area, in the past year, that were priced under twenty thousand, needed some tlc but they were liveable. That is what I would call a "starter house", but in another place I'm familiar with, a 400K house is called a "starter house". Crazy!


224 posted on 09/23/2006 7:15:26 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: churchillbuff
Unfortunately, in California, for many people, it's almost impossible to own a house without "living beyond their means."

So you either don't own a home (ever heard of rent?) or move. That's life.

225 posted on 09/23/2006 7:24:44 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Howlin
Do you construe intimidation of those who draw attention to the real estate bubble/unscrupulous lending practices in the interests of jawboning real estate up as somehow pro-American?
226 posted on 09/23/2006 7:24:57 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: churchillbuff
Both sides share blame. The lendor for not explaining what the borrower is getting themselves into, and the borrower for not going above and beyond to do due diligence.
227 posted on 09/23/2006 7:28:00 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: stephenjohnbanker

"Of course, you are correct, Petronski. But my experience with RE borrowers is that they get a bit giddy and euphoric, and have a tendency NOT to read the fine print."

You mean they act like the majority of people do when they are close to realizing a cherished dream, and aren't necessarily idiots?


228 posted on 09/23/2006 7:32:03 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: 1066AD

The first time I was looking at buying a house, I spent $10 on a book about buying one's first home.

It was money well spent.


229 posted on 09/23/2006 7:32:17 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: nopardons

What ever its sex, it is a source of bulls**t


230 posted on 09/23/2006 7:43:23 AM PDT by sgtyork (Prove to us that you can enforce the borders first.)
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To: nopardons; churchillbuff
Don't listen to nopardons and her pack of ankle-biting hyenas. They are hoping that you will just roll over and play dead, and thus silence you (or lose your cool and get yourself banned...they have bragged about that to me on more than one occasion). Given their vehemence, I wouldn't be surprised if they are all real estate or loan agents here to jawbone real estate up.

Keep up the good work!--GGG
231 posted on 09/23/2006 7:52:22 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Mr Rogers

Unfortunately, in California, for many people, it's almost impossible to own a house without "living beyond their means."

"So you either don't own a home (ever heard of rent?) or move. That's life."

Yes, it is life. I rent, I'm fine with that. I'm not fine with overpaying 200% on a house to pay for someone's retirement or get rich schemes, or be a slave to a bank the rest of my life paying off a $600K mortgage with negative amortization for a piece of #@!@ sheetrock McMansion that's worth half of what I'm paying for, and unable to refi out.

What I'm also NOT fine with is the probability this bust will drive us into recession, effecting us ALL. There is too much tied to housing that will fall - employment, retail, wages - across the board, from contractors to Home Depot employees. Much of the new jobs created in CA were real estate related, and look to be wiped out in the next couple of years, with no signs of any other industry replacing them. This, coupled with massive layoffs coming from Intel and other companies, could trigger a bigger recession than a couple decades ago. This happened in the late 80's and early 90's - everyone and their brother became real estate agents because of the boom in house prices, and a year or so later they were all broke, looking for jobs, or taking unemployment.

We havent even really resettled all the .com Flash kiddies in SF who still demand 100K to do web work, and now this time next year, the streets will be full of out of work real estate moguls crying bitterly about their fate. I've seen it before.

I'm also NOT happy with the eventual Fed bailouts that will almost certainly be floated and eventually passed to pay for it all. Banks and hedge funds are teetering on the cliff over this, it could get NASTY. The finger pointing has ALREADY started.

This run-up of prices, which as happened nationwide, was not natural, and was not sustainable, and the people selling cheap credit for extremely risky terms to people who had no business borrowing the amounts of money they did knew it, but put all common sense and integrity and rational thought aside for the allmighty dollars. Yet again.

If you think your neck of the woods will be uneffected, good luck to you. Your neighborhoods may soon be flooded by illegals looking for cheap homes, as that's the exciting new frontier the mortgage folks are babbling about. You may weather the storm, but it will effect you, as there is no town or city or hamlet in the country that is recession proof. We're NOT just talking home prices here. The housing boom has ties to almost every facet of our economy.

Go look at your 401, and if there's any investment with anything even remotely housing related...

I love the snide remarks about people just being negative. I'd love the country to be on firm ground financially, and have no looming storm like this housing bust. I truly do. But it's coming, and it scares the #@#$$ out of me what it could do to our economy and our country, and to my family and freinds and to me. At least with the illegal issue, we can SEE it every day here in CA as neighborhoods go barrio, and less and less English is spoken, and we can see video of them coming over the border.

As for moving elsewhere, I've thought about it, and it would mean giving up a career I've put 20 years into, and starting over somewhere else, which means taking a big pay cut. It's also be leaving behind almost 30 years of friends and family. It's not that simple, or easy, to just cut and bail.

Besides, I placed my bet. I'm thinking in about 4 -5 years, I'll just buy a modest 2-3 bedroom house for pennies on the dollar...if I still have a job.

On an amusing note, i just got a cold call yesterday, from a nice, freindly mortgage broker, who'd received refi application, and I was pre-approved! Whoohoo! We'll forget the lie that I applied, the funny part is, the refi is for an aprtment I rented and moved out of last year.

Oh, and the caller was named Manuel. Mexican accent and all.

I guess it's one more job Americans won't do, huh?

Bitter about housing? You betcha! I just want to buy a house, and it's now impossible, without having to uproot my life and career and move somewhere where I don't know anyone, don't have many job prospects, where the locals would probably just rather I not move there thank you. It's not that cut and dried, guys. I'm fine with renting, as I'm single and looking to keep it that way for the foreseeable future, but that doesn't mean i have no right to comment on the greed and insanity that has gripped this nation about real estate. I agree with a lot of the posters, a house is a great investment! But under today's terms, at today's prices? Get real. It's not investment, it's virtual serfdom to a bank.


232 posted on 09/23/2006 7:56:19 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: goldstategop
"When homes originally sold for $15,000, yeah you could finally own them free and clear one day. Not anymore. "

I bought a crappy trailer for $1,000 while I was going to college, lived in it for four years, paying only $35 a month lot rent. When I graduated and got a job, I sold it and used the proceeds as down payment on a little larger one ($7,000), still crappy.

I got married. We both worked and paid off the crappy used 10x50 mobile home. We sold that for $11,000 and bought a "starter" home for $38K, using the $11K as down payment. We lived there for 15 years, until it was paid off.

We sold the "starter" home for $90K to a young couple and used the money to buy a nice 3 bedroom house with a monstrous garage and a half acre in a very nice neighborhood for $160K. Five years later it is paid off.

We never lived in a place that had a mortgage that we couldn't easily afford.

I suppose we could have bought the current place twenty years ago. It might have worked out. We might be ahead as much as $100K at this point butt... What if one of us had gotten sick? What if one of us had been unemployed for an extended period?

There are some things you don't screw around with. Bankruptcy and financial ruin should be avoided at all costs. A nice, conservative approach works almost every time it is tried.

The couple that bought out of their price range, with an interest-only variable rate mortgage, were taking a big risk. Additionally, they knew that property values had been on an up cycle for several years and were due for a turn. It was a recipe for disaster.

Five years from now, that property will undoubtedly be worth more than it is today, but it sounds like they weren't prepared for that eventuality.

On the other hand, I own my house, have no debt, and am considering remodeling (right after I have the vented heater installed in the garage).

Life is good if you use a little common sense, plan ahead, and don't run into any big disasters. Life sucks if you are a moron, live beyond your means and don't plan ahead.
233 posted on 09/23/2006 7:57:01 AM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: churchillbuff

I think the premise of this article is being repeated in tens of thousands of households across america. I saw on CNN today that 1 in 300 homes in Colorado is in foreclosure.


234 posted on 09/23/2006 7:57:44 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: greccogirl

What I mean is that since a lender generally accepts an appraisal at face value, they can refinance the 244000 they owe fairly easily.


235 posted on 09/23/2006 8:01:09 AM PDT by RockinRight (She rocks my world, and I rock her world.)
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To: Petronski
I will have the last laugh. You remind me of a scene from the Chronicles of Narnia where Aslan was singing a most beautiful song, but all those whose minds and hearts were shut and locked from the inside could here was growling. You can deny the fundamentals driving gold all you want, but it changes nothing, as these fundamentals are quite independent of your delusional state of mind.
236 posted on 09/23/2006 8:03:00 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: gleeaikin

Prime Rate - the Fed-set rate we all know and love. Few first mortgages are set to this-but home equity lines of credit almost always are

LIBOR - London InterBank Offered Rate - based on the interest rates at which banks offer to lend unsecured funds to other banks in the London wholesale (or "interbank") money market, usually US Dollars.

COFI - Cost of Funds Index - a regional average of interest expenses incurred by financial institutions, which in turn is used as a base for calculating variable-rate loans.


237 posted on 09/23/2006 8:05:14 AM PDT by RockinRight (She rocks my world, and I rock her world.)
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To: RockinRight
Regardless of one's opinion of homeowners who do this, am I the only one that thinks it's BS that the government does this?

The person taking the loss gets to write it off of their taxes, that's why they person getting the benefit has to pay taxes on the money.

What would you rather owe, $40,000 or the taxes on $40,000?

238 posted on 09/23/2006 8:05:24 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
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To: churchillbuff
when buying a house seemed like a sure ticket to security

To morons, you mean.

239 posted on 09/23/2006 8:06:09 AM PDT by Jim Noble (You know something is happening here but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?)
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To: churchillbuff
“I don’t feel secure,” Karen admitted.

Better vote for a Democrat, then...

240 posted on 09/23/2006 8:07:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (You know something is happening here but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?)
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