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The Global Housing Boom: In come the waves (a cautionary tale)
The Economist ^
| 06/16/2005
Posted on 09/21/2006 8:02:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: durasell
RE: Post #236
Credit card debt should be $800 billion. Not $800 million.
TGIF!
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:08:26 PM PDT
by
Mase
To: Mase
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:09:31 PM PDT
by
durasell
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To: durasell
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:10:10 PM PDT
by
Mase
To: durasell
Uh, we do have to pay it back and pay interest on it.Uh, no we don't. They have a pile of $20s. That's not debt. If they loan it to us (invest it in America) then of course we have to pay it back. That's not what the goldbug idiot article was talking about.
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:15:26 PM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
To: Toddsterpatriot
. . . the goldbug idiot article . . .But you repeat yourself . . .
;OP
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:18:25 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(Living His life abundantly.)
To: Mase
Just google "credit card debt trillion"
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:18:31 PM PDT
by
durasell
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To: Petronski
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:18:58 PM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
To: Toddsterpatriot
Yes, yes, they're "investing in America." That's great. From another perspective, they are buying America. Not so great.
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:22:27 PM PDT
by
durasell
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Did you see up thread the face of Au, the shiny metal god?
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:23:31 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(Living His life abundantly.)
To: durasell
Uh, we do have to pay it back Pay what back? If I buy a DVD player made in Japan at Best Buy, and pay with cash, how is any debt created? The Japanese can use those dollars to buy goods or services from us or invest in our economy. How does either create debt?
Right now America is a debtor nation.
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According to a study by Ricardo Hausmann and Federico Sturzenegger, of Harvard's Kennedy School, the current-account deficit is a statistical illusion. They found that the net return on the U.S. financial position in 2004 was a positive $30 billion and not much different than it had been in 1982, despite 22 years of current-account deficits. When factors such as insurance, know-how, and the value of universally recognized brand names like McDonald's, Disney and Coca Cola are counted, the U.S. becomes a net creditor, not a net debtor, nation.
The rate of return on our liabilities is much smaller than the return on our assets. Foreigners willingly accept a lower rate of return by buying our Treasury bills because they desire currency stability, liquidity, and a safe haven against political and economic risk.
On the other side, our investments overseas earn a much higher rate of return. When these higher rates of return are included in the calculation, as shown by the chart above, it becomes clear that the U.S. is a net creditor nation
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:25:21 PM PDT
by
Mase
To: durasell; Mase
And since using a credit card is so easy, Americans are swiping plastic at a fast pace. Total U.S. consumer debt reached $2.35 trillion in July -- an average of almost $8,000 for every adult and child in the country. That doesn't include mortgages -- it's just car loans, boat loans, snowmachine loans, credit cards and such.
The credit card portion alone is in the $800 billion neighborhood, or about $2,700 per American.
It's time to pay the bill
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:26:15 PM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
To: durasell
See, we didn't have to do anything to "make up" that deficit. The holders of dollars managed to invest it all on their own.
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:27:25 PM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
To: durasell
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:29:16 PM PDT
by
ovrtaxt
(We gotta watch out for the Hellbazoo and the Hamas...)
To: Petronski
Awww, he's cute. Or should I saw Au, he's cute?
How can you tell the difference between a secular bull and an ecclesiastical bull?
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:29:34 PM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
To: woofie
You can't fool me. That a density/pressure map of housing prices. The east coast/left coast spikes are the tipoff.
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:31:56 PM PDT
by
sphinx
To: durasell
Just google "credit card debt trillion" I found this when I googled "credit card debt $800 billion":
According to CardWeb.com, which compiles data about the credit industry, Americans now hold 1,537.8 million credit cards and owed an estimated $ 800 billion in credit card debt
What happens if I google "American households own $4.3 trillion in time deposits and savings accounts"?
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:31:59 PM PDT
by
Mase
To: Mase
What happens if I google "American households own $4.3 trillion in time deposits and savings accounts"?I think this comes up:
Durasell was wrong!
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posted on
09/22/2006 3:39:22 PM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
To: Toddsterpatriot
Speak for yourself, Toddler. You and your like-minded fiat fanatics at the FED are one of the reasons gold is going to the moon.
To: Toddsterpatriot
I maybe wrong. They don't call economics The Dismal Science for nothing.
That said, I would strongly encourage you to follow your best instincts when it comes to the economy and invest accordingly.
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posted on
09/22/2006 5:22:08 PM PDT
by
durasell
(!)
To: GodGunsGuts
Speak for yourself, Toddler.Huh?
You and your like-minded fiat fanatics at the FED
I'm not a fiat fanatic. A very small portion of my portfolio is in cash. And none of my cash is margined.
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posted on
09/22/2006 5:31:31 PM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
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