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To: Wuli
"The French have never believed in goals or solutions to any crisis. To them talking is its own goal; while the real crisis continues to fester and escalate underneath all their talk."

I disagree. The French, Iran, Venezuela, at least their leaders, have a large goal. That goal is to bring about the demise of the United States. It is becoming more clear than ever that the socialists across the globe are running along side the terrorists.

Just like many political organizations around the world, there is a political side, and a militaristic side.

You have the Islamofacsists as the militaristic side of this organization, who blames America for every problem in the world, and seeks to defeat us through violence. Then you have the political wing, made up of Chirac, Chavez, Ahmed and the rest of their ilk who agree with them, and seek to discredit us through the UN.

America is a great country, and I am concerned that there is a great push across the globe to bring down the dominance we maintain in the world.
29 posted on 09/21/2006 10:39:53 AM PDT by ritewingwarrior (Where does free speech end, and sedition begin?)
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To: ritewingwarrior

I disagree with your placement of the French as in an active, coordinated league with all our enemies.

The French are always out for the French, always seeking a role larger than their actual power demands and thus since the end of WWII, and more so since the end of the cold war, the only role that France has found compatible with its own sense of itself is to be an obstruction to whatever the U.S. is trying to do.

If France was not playing the role of an obstructionist, then it would be no more than a weak junior partner in a US led alliance; a role that is commensurate with the true degree of power it deserves. That reality is incompatible with the inflated view it has of itself. Thus it has been since the second German conquest of France.

Such friends have always been more dangerous than enemies, because as they seek a role that is larger than they deserve it places them as an ineffectual, bumbling, obstructing interlocutor between us and our real enemies. In that role of pretending to stand between us and our enemies, they are really just out for themselves and never really representing either our interests or even our joint interests with them. That hurts our ability to obtain our actual joint interests, against our enemies, because our enemies naturally prefer the weaker demands made on them by the weaker party - France. This aspect of our relationship with France can be seen in almost every major diplomatic area throughout the "cold war" and since the demise of the Soviet Union.

France was always seeking a separate peace for the west on France's terms, the Soviets would not reject it but seek our acceptance of France's terms, because without our agreement the terms had no power. We would not agree and France would then proclaim that it had taken the higher ground, when in fact all it had done was convince the Soviets that they ought to hold out against us.

France = self-interest, puffed-up sense of itself, obstruction of an ally of much greater power, myth making of the rightness of its position, selling that myth as a means to purchase more global acceptance of its role as an obstructionist.

By the 1960s, our enemies across the world learned that if they wanted to defeat us diplomatically in international forumns, all they had to do was to play on France's inflated sense of itself and France would discard western multilateral positions for its own self-interest - just to oppose the US, because opposing the US suits its national ego.


34 posted on 09/21/2006 11:11:14 AM PDT by Wuli
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