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We don't want a war with Islam, says Bush
The Daily Telegraph ^ | September 20, 2006 | Alec Russell and Harry Mount

Posted on 09/19/2006 11:57:57 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: MadIvan

I'll bet he goes back home and says something different in his own language (Texan).


21 posted on 09/20/2006 3:19:44 AM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen and member of the Head SnowFlake Committee)
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To: MadIvan
Cordell Hull and Japanese Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura.

"We do not seek war with the Japanese Empire, nor do they seek war with us."

22 posted on 09/20/2006 3:31:33 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: MadIvan
Does anyone here know if an Islamic cleric has ever issued anything comparable to a fatah instructing the "moderate" Muslims to move against the militant Muslims carrying our jihad on non-Muslims? Is it even permitted by the Koran?

Also, what is a moderate Muslim? Do they just sit by and watch while the militants do the dirty work? Do moderate Muslims even exist, or are there just militant and passive Muslims?
23 posted on 09/20/2006 4:01:17 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Steve Van Doorn
How do you make war on an idea? How do you win a war against those with that idea? And if you do defeat them militarily how do you correct the idea?

There may be some history of the Spanish conquest of civilizations in Central and South America that could shed some light on that.
24 posted on 09/20/2006 4:08:07 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: backtothestreets
Also, what is a moderate Muslim? Do they just sit by and watch while the militants do the dirty work? Do moderate Muslims even exist, or are there just militant and passive Muslims?

Under Islam, apostates may be killed, even if they are nominally Muslim. Good Muslims are not supposed to kill other good Muslims under any circumstance.

That said,

What we would call a 'moderate Muslim' is an apostate. Rejecting jihad, living peacefully with your infidel neighbors and friends, pretty much anything that's not fundamentalist Islam, can be construed to be apostasy. That means that under Islam, it's more permissable for Bin Laden to kill American Muslims than it would be for them to kill him.

My tagline is also instructive on this issue.

25 posted on 09/20/2006 4:08:44 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Steel Wolf
Thank you ... you are most helpful.

I'm trying my hardest to give President Bush the benefit of a doubt, but I just don't see the moderate Muslims he often refers to.
26 posted on 09/20/2006 4:14:45 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: MadIvan; hellinahandcart

"we don't want a war with Islam." - W.

"Oh yes we do." - 'Pod.


27 posted on 09/20/2006 4:15:50 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: Paladin2
Bush is kicking the larger can down the road.

History will regard the Bush presidency in some ways visionary, in others, tragically naiive.

I understand the President's point, and to an extent, he's right. But, as the saying goes, you have to fight the war you're in, not the one you wish you were in.

Fundamentalist Islam is what we're at war with. You can call it Islamofascism, militants, extremists, or whatever.

To Muslim ears, however, the message is loud and clear. Apostasy is fine, but if you truly believe in your religion, the way it is written, we are at war. President Bush communicates that message every time he tries to talk around it.

It would be like the President of Iran going on TV and saying "We don't hate Christians, or those who hold Jesus as their Lord. We only hate people that go to church and believe all that Bible stuff."

Do the math on that.

President Bush does the exact same thing when he tries to split 'militant Islam' from 'moderate Islam'. That's why the Muslims, the ones that understand their religion, anyway, know we're at war.

28 posted on 09/20/2006 4:15:59 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: MadIvan

Whether we want it or not, we've had one for what, 1400 years? And specifically for us, since the fall of the Shah...

We're just waiting for our politicians to wake up to what we all know, Mr. President.


29 posted on 09/20/2006 4:17:05 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (We gotta watch out for the Hellbazoo and the Hamas...)
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To: backtothestreets
I'm trying my hardest to give President Bush the benefit of a doubt, but I just don't see the moderate Muslims he often refers to.

Check out post 28. That's why President Bush is having a hard time finding them, as well.

30 posted on 09/20/2006 4:17:12 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: MadIvan
We don't want a war with Islam, says Bush

But, that's what we have. THEY brought it to us - WE didn't start this war . . . . . . but we're darn sure going to finish it!!
31 posted on 09/20/2006 4:18:14 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I think our choices here are mass slaughter, or mass conversion to Christ.

The civil authorities have a responsibility to implement the former, if there's to be any defense of freedom at all.

The people of GOD have a responsibility to implement the latter.

There really is no other option that I'm aware of.


32 posted on 09/20/2006 4:21:04 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (We gotta watch out for the Hellbazoo and the Hamas...)
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To: MadIvan
We don't want a war with Islam

Well, not all of them all at once.

We have a much better chance by doing like we are now.

Taking it to them incrementally, so as to provide for a kill ratio that is, thus far, favorable to our side.

33 posted on 09/20/2006 4:22:09 AM PDT by airborne (Fecal matter is en route to fan! Contact is imminent!)
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To: backtothestreets
Also, what is a moderate Muslim?

According to a fellow FReeper, a "moderate" Muslim is one who is re-loading!!
34 posted on 09/20/2006 4:22:29 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Steel Wolf
I agree with your perspective very much. I've believed for a long time Islam is at war with non-Islamic people. The war of Islam seems to be forever escalating and encroaching on others.
35 posted on 09/20/2006 4:28:11 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: DustyMoment

LMAO ... Thank you! I'll have to remember that.


36 posted on 09/20/2006 4:30:13 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Irish Rose


Because there are hundreds of thousands of worshipping muslims fighting side-by-side with our heroic men and women of the U.S. Military, FBI and CIA. That is the "why" of it.

LLS


37 posted on 09/20/2006 4:41:34 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: MadIvan
Good Morning, Ivan. This was the live thread from W's speech yesterday. There was nothing 'conciliatory' about it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1704173/posts?page=364#364

38 posted on 09/20/2006 4:46:22 AM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: MadIvan
Mr Bush, however, sought to appeal over the heads of Middle Eastern leaders with warm words in particular for the people of Iran and Syria, two of America's greatest foes.

Greatest foes? I think not. Iran might be the one with loudest mouth though.

39 posted on 09/20/2006 5:41:37 AM PDT by semaj
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To: ovrtaxt
I think our choices here are mass slaughter, or mass conversion to Christ.

Religions merely reflect the cultures in which they are practiced. If Islam didn't exist, something else would act as a salve for the muzzies' deep seated (and well deserved) sense of inferiority & envy. After all, the entire religion is based on 'taking' ie banditry.

I'm much more optimistic. I think (Western) science will develop a gene therapy that will enable us to both raise their collective IQs & temper their violent tendencies. The mix is quite volatile, as we've seen, so the sooner we discover a cure, the quicker we'll have a more peaceful world.

40 posted on 09/20/2006 5:55:07 AM PDT by Chuck Dent
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