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To: ponder life

“I know one Chinese American (first generation) very well, who during his capture, rather than give away information faced a firing squad. Oh, it was a German firing squad during WWII.”

Irrelevant. The Chinese were our allies in WWII. And even if he were Japanese it doesn’t prove anything, I never said all Asians were traitors.

“And during the Cold War, I saw alot of news report of those who sold secrets to the USSR. And they didn’t look Chinese to me. They didn’t even look Asian.”

Strawman, since I never suggested that only Asians can become traitors. Only that their cultural attitude makes them higher likelihood candidates.

“Betraying a country has it’s issue with one’s character and not their cultural sentiment.”

You really are ignorant. The entire issue is that *culture affects which country one identifies as his country*. If in one’s heart China is one’s country, than spying for them is not *betrayal*, it’s *loyalty*. In fact that is exactly how many of these spies are turned. The Chinese agents turn them by *appealing to their sense of honor, loyalty and patriotism*.


133 posted on 02/08/2008 11:52:24 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher
Irrelevant. The Chinese were our allies in WWII. And even if he were Japanese it doesn’t prove anything, I never said all Asians were traitors.

It is when one is trying to balance the intent of an arguement.

Strawman, since I never suggested that only Asians can become traitors. Only that their cultural attitude makes them higher likelihood candidates.

I just wanted to clarify. So, what is the likelihood? Is it 10 times higher? And how to you quantify those who don't. Are they still in the 90+% range (that is, those who don't become traitors)?

You really are ignorant.

I don't believe so.

The entire issue is that *culture affects which country one identifies as his country*. If in one’s heart China is one’s country, than spying for them is not *betrayal*, it’s *loyalty*. In fact that is exactly how many of these spies are turned. The Chinese agents turn them by *appealing to their sense of honor, loyalty and patriotism*.

When you say spies, are you talking of someone who deliberately and maliciously remove documents from their place of work OR are you branding someone a spy because they return to their home country to use their skills to start a business or work in their labs?

134 posted on 02/08/2008 3:02:07 PM PST by ponder life
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