Posted on 09/17/2006 8:38:19 PM PDT by STARWISE
Oh, I can see where this is going; we're off to a FISH thread now!
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3767c25f2f0f.htm
Corn has taken the typical stance of the dishonest liberal: Lie again again and again.
As a former liberal, I understand the tactic well. Of course, its topped off with a dash of self-perceived victimhood.
That's next.
Insight from A.J.Strata:
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2510
But what people will forget to note is Valerie Plame’s name was probably all over the Hill by this time.
Here is what would happen in the wake of the Ames fiasco - Congressional oversight. Congress would want to know the damage and what was being done about it. The list of agents compromised would be circulated, and the fact they were being moved off covert ops noted as they were re-assigned to Langley.
This list would be known as ‘the survivors’, those not killed by Ames’ treason. Wilson marrying someone on this infamous list would not go unnoticed in Washington DC either. And so when Val and Joe show up at events she will be known as one of the few who escaped Aldrich Ames.
This is how DC works folks. It is a gossipy, name dropping, information exposing town. I grew up in the midst of it and you level in the social pecking order is demonstrated by having these innocuous facts availble to show off with. The Wilsons were probably known as the ones who Saddam and Ames’ missed.
I ain’t buying the idea Joe Wilson was so unknown in DC people needed memos to know who he was and who he was married to. Once at Langley many people know who ‘works for the agency’.
I have known which neighbors work for which intelligence agency since I was a kid. It doesn’t take a seasoned eye long to detect the cover stories. I think we as a nation deserve to know what really happened, with Fitzgerald and with the CIA and State.
I think at a minimum this nation owes those answers to Scooter Libby facing 25 years in jail for Armitage’s leak and Fitzgerald’s lies. And we need to address Armitage’s attempts to cover his actions, as Toensing so aptly points out:
Mr. Armitage also knew he had met with Bob Woodward on June 13, 2003, telling him about Mr. Wilson’s wife’s CIA employment and her role in her husband’s trip to Niger. But when the FBI interviewed Mr. Armitage on Oct. 2, he admitted to the Novak conversation only, notably forgetting meeting with one of our country’s premier investigative reporters.
I am not buying Armitage did not recall the Woodward discussion because Woodward was quite clear he had to push Armitage to come clean. And why are we still learning of MORE leaks prior to the ones we know about now?
During the investigation Mr. Fitzgerald learned that a former New York Times reporter, Cliff May, twice told the FBI that, prior to Mr. Novak’s column, he had heard in an offhand way from a nongovernment employee that Mr. Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA, a clear indication that her employment was known on the street. Ditto columnist Hugh Sidey, who wrote that Ms. Plame’s name was “knocking around in the sub rosa world . . . for a long time.”
Someone else outside the government knew this information and was sharing it with journalists? Why is this not detailed on Fitzgerald’s investigation? Who was this person and how did they learn? This is clearly another leak point or two or three (considering the Knight-Ridder article chock full of classified information being leaked on June 12th, a month before Wilson outs himself).
We need to understand why this all went so wrong.
Bingo!
Ames is the first one for "exposed" her and she never left the country after that!
BUMP that.
You're such a splendid researcher.
Actually, I was thinking about The Salad Rebellion.
A coup in which the former secreary of state and his chief ass. were involved. If George were king, both would be shut up in the Tower of London.and then had their heads chopped off.
Color me ignorant, but who is DeGenova? He looks formidable.
I get you.
Before Novak, The Joe Wilson Speech that Made Clear His Agenda
Gateway Pundit ^ | 10/31/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1513384/posts
Which makes me laugh out loud at this from Larrrrrry Johnson in July 2005 .. ROFL!!
The Big Lie About Valerie Plame
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/9340
A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.
The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.
The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.
(snip)
The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job. She did not. She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major. Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.
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LOL .. again. Do we know which "bosses"? Somebody knows who signed the order.
Here's an article Wilson wrote for The Nation
posted February 13, 2003 (March 3, 2003 issue)
Republic or Empire?
Joseph Wilson
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030303/wilson
Ain't the Internet grand? Thanks algore.
"Corn gets shucked."
LOL!
It seems to me that she ground him up...but good. ;o)
Cornbread! (yummmm)
She is a national treasure, and one of the most brilliant minds we are fortunate to have.
I'm glad to see her back, and fighting back.
Thank you for the post and ping.
Don't know why THIS never registered with me .. from July 18, 2005 - National Review Online - Andrew McCarthy. IT PACKS A WALLOP! His point is: don't listen to what the media say to us, listen to what they say in court .. and exhibits the proof.
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THE MEDIA TELLS THE COURT: PLAME'S COVER WAS BLOWN IN THE MID-1990s
As the media alleged to the judges (in Footnote 7, page 8, of their brief), Plame's identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a spy in Moscow.
Of course, the press and its attorneys were smart enough not to argue that such a disclosure would trigger the defense prescribed in Section 422 because it was evidently made by a foreign-intelligence operative, not by a U.S. agency as the statute literally requires.
But neither did they mention the incident idly. For if, as he has famously suggested, President Bush has peered into the soul of Vladimir Putin, what he has no doubt seen is the thriving spirit of the KGB, of which the Russian president was a hardcore agent. The Kremlin still spies on the United States. It remains in the business of compromising U.S. intelligence operations.
Thus, the media's purpose in highlighting this incident is blatant: If Plame was outed to the former Soviet Union a decade ago, there can have been little, if anything, left of actual intelligence value in her "every operation, every relationship, every network" by the time anyone spoke with Novak (or, of course, Corn).
THE CIA OUTS PLAME TO FIDEL CASTRO
Of greater moment to the criminal investigation is the second disclosure urged by the media organizations on the court. They don't place a precise date on this one, but inform the judges that it was "more recent" than the Russian outing but "prior to Novak's publication."
And it is priceless. The press informs the judges that the CIA itself "inadvertently" compromised Plame by not taking appropriate measures to safeguard classified documents that the Agency routed to the Swiss embassy in Havana.
In the Washington Times article — you remember, the one the press hypes when it reports to the federal court but not when it reports to consumers of its news coverage — Gertz elaborates that "[t]he documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but [unidentified U.S.] intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them."
Thus, the same media now stampeding on Rove has told a federal court that, to the contrary, they believe the CIA itself blew Plame's cover before Rove or anyone else in the Bush administration ever spoke to Novak about her. Of course, they don't contend the CIA did it on purpose or with malice.
But neither did Rove — who, unlike the CIA, appears neither to have known about nor disclosed Plame's classified status. Yet, although the Times and its cohort have a bull's eye on Rove's back, they are breathtakingly silent about an apparent CIA embarrassment — one that seems to be just the type of juicy story they routinely covet.
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Dozens of DC embassy and diplomatic functions .. hundreds of foreign agents, State Dept. officials, mixed brew of insiders and reporters .... drinking, dealing, socializing, gossiping. You just gotta know Plame's name and status was KNOWN.
LOL .... I'd be one lost puppy without it.
Thank you for that pic!
She's lovely, and has her mother's smile.
Her dad is no slouch, though. ;o)
Oooops .. link to Andrew McCarthy article above:
http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200507180801.asp
God bless both Victoria and her husband, good, honsest Americans.
We can always use a few more.
Boy did she tear Corn to shreds.
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