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Fact, Fable, and Darwin
One America ^ | 09-2004 | Rodney Stark

Posted on 09/15/2006 3:39:45 PM PDT by ofwaihhbtn

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To: phoenix0468
Ok, can you share with me the evidence you have been presented with to cause your conclusion that we are a product of evolution.

That's a good question, but I'm afraid I have to answer it "Not this late!" That would take quite a while. I'll try to get something written up in the next few days.

I was actually six-day Creationist up through college (Christian college, officially six-day as well) when I realized that problems with the data that I thought would be addressed at the college level were in fact not. I went from six-day to a period of wild uncertainty (ID? simultaneous six-day and billions of years in some fashion? age-day?) and then settled on theistic evolution (God got the ball rolling) for a while. About six months ago I left Christianity (not over evolution, you can read the post at the end of my profile page for the basic reason why), but my move away from Creationism far pre-dated this and was for entirely different reasons. Ironically my move away from Christianity was prompted by my research into Islam and refuting it, which required a rational defense of some of the OT that I ultimately found I couldn't provide.

101 posted on 09/15/2006 5:07:30 PM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: ml1954
The leaders of most Mainstream Denominations are into religion for the retirement package.

Gad, don't you see how pitiful their endorsement of your idea is. It weakens your argument.

102 posted on 09/15/2006 5:08:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jeff Gordon
Is it wrong to laugh at Creationists?

When many creationists attempt to do hard-core science, laughter is frequently the most appropriate response.

103 posted on 09/15/2006 5:09:13 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: thomaswest
You really, really, really do need to get involved in an enormous lawsuit. Your statement is irrelevant to the universe lawyers work in.

To deal with Coulter you have to learn how it is she thinks.

104 posted on 09/15/2006 5:09:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Morgan in Denver
I think you missed some of Miss Coulters sense of humor, especially the raccoon flatulence theory of evolution.

If she meant that as humor that's unfortunate, since I've since had to correct the "bears to whales" notion in creationists here.

105 posted on 09/15/2006 5:11:39 PM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: muawiyah
Well, there's the universal access port in our groin. Once you'lve had a heart catheter inserted, and then discovered they can seal it over with a mere bandaid, you kind of wonder who designed that one.

It seems likely that more people have died from minor wounds to that spot than ever will be saved by ingenious surgical techniques that exploit it. Who again designed that? Some lawyers would like to know.

106 posted on 09/15/2006 5:12:36 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: thomaswest
Just too much for someone who is reading, not finished, and yet what Coulter says makes more sense than the arguments against her.

Misstates how fossils demonstrate the evolutionary transition from reptiles and mammals, as well as the fossil record of dinosaurs and mammals.

Distorts the likelihood that a living creature will be fossilized.


Okay, just to take this one issue. Are you saying fossils do not demonstrate evolutionary transition? Are you saying there doesn't need to be a fossilized history that would support evolutionary theory?  You are saying there are living creatures but no fossils?

The above may be true but it sure does not make sense to people who look for a bit of logic and common sense in understanding fossils, history and evolution.

 

 

107 posted on 09/15/2006 5:13:01 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: Jeff Gordon
No, just enjoy a good laugh.

They actually seek it out. Y'know, "standing for Faith, facing derision" makes 'em feel like martyrs.

108 posted on 09/15/2006 5:13:11 PM PDT by thomaswest (So many schisms in religion--there cannot be 'one true faith'.)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Is it wrong to laugh at Creationists?

Faith, sir, it's a sacrament.

109 posted on 09/15/2006 5:15:06 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Coyoteman

Coyoteman, you've shown me this before, and it is intriguing, but what do the dotted lines mean? Also, what evidence suggests that this is a transitional to our species and not to another such as Neanderthal? Where is the fossil record that provides unquestionalbe evidence that supports this chart? Coyoteman, I feel that my questions are valid, and logical. I do not dispute evolution, but I have also been presented with what is in my opinion an equal amount of evidence to suggest that there is a "design" to life. That this design cannot be a result of spontaneous evolution but must have had intervention for it to exist. I will try to find the article I cited earlier from Discover. And, btw, although I cannot exactly cite these articles, I do remember reading others that supported this claim. One article, for example, was from a physicist that pointed to the fact that our own manipulations with atoms and other minute particles is evidence that previous intelliegences could have used their own understanding of our physical world to have created life on Earth.


110 posted on 09/15/2006 5:16:19 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Physicist
100% of successful stint insertions start there. Also, ablations performed inside the heart.

You must be referring to something else.

Still, it is quite handy isn't it.

111 posted on 09/15/2006 5:16:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The leaders of most Mainstream Denominations are into religion for the retirement package.

Really? Do you have evidence? If not, I'm afraid I'd have to say your unsupported assertion is absurd and ridiculous.

112 posted on 09/15/2006 5:17:21 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: ahayes
You mean racoon flatulence is not a major source of global warming?

Oh, darn.

113 posted on 09/15/2006 5:17:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ml1954
Yeah, Fidelity makes a killing off of 'em.

Surely you jest.

114 posted on 09/15/2006 5:19:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You really, really, really do need to get involved in an enormous lawsuit. Your statement is irrelevant to the universe lawyers work in.

This is too funny for words. I've already won one case before SCOTUS.

To deal with Coulter you have to learn how it is she thinks.

She thinks? That is, uses the thought process? Like in mental activity that weighs different ideas and evaluates them on the basis of evidence? Do tell.

115 posted on 09/15/2006 5:20:35 PM PDT by thomaswest (So many schisms in religion--there cannot be 'one true faith'.)
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To: ofwaihhbtn

bump


116 posted on 09/15/2006 5:21:13 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Morgan in Denver
and yet what Coulter says

I don't give a damn about Anne's beliefs about eveolution. It is FR rules that we should care about. The rules rule and so far no one has observed the rules.


117 posted on 09/15/2006 5:21:30 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (History convinces me that bad government results from too much governemnt. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: muawiyah
You have a bad habit of accusing people of being on the take.
118 posted on 09/15/2006 5:21:52 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Liberal Classic
No, what I am saying is she uses humor, sarcasm and outrageous comments to emphasize the points she makes.  If someone is not knowledgeable on some of the issues she comments on, it is easy to take them as a serious statement when it was not meant to be.   Coulter  is very good  in exposing the hypocrisy of her opposition and you have to realize she is doing that with some of the things she writes.

 

119 posted on 09/15/2006 5:21:54 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: thomaswest

Which case? And was it truly stupendous or just one of those homosexual rights type tyings?


120 posted on 09/15/2006 5:22:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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