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1 posted on 09/15/2006 7:40:19 AM PDT by Froufrou
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If what the Pope said was incorrect, Muslims should be able to calmly refute it. The rage and violent nature of their response to his address gives credence to the truth of his observation about Islam. We in the West think faith and self-criticism go together. In the Muslim World, self-criticism is seen as leading to doubt and apotasy from Islam. The mere questioning of Islamic tenets, even if only to strengthen one's faith, is punishable by death. And there is the other side of the issue: a religion that can only gain followers through force is not a religion with confidence in its ability to assimilate to itself the various trends in the modern world that threaten its authority. Islam would rather attack and destroy what it cannot understand. This is in the direct contrast to the way Judaism and Christianity deal with alien phenomena: they seek to understand it in order to find a way to ovecome it and show faith can thrive strong and true even in a hostile environment. That is where Islam is in crisis in having no way other than through jihad, to fend off the challenge posed by Western technology and science.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

58 posted on 09/15/2006 8:14:26 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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How enraged are they? Are they doing violence, maybe cutting themselves and flogging.


65 posted on 09/15/2006 8:23:37 AM PDT by DungeonMaster
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Viva il Papa!


66 posted on 09/15/2006 8:24:29 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 106-107)
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The difference between Judaism, Christianity and Islam is as follows: Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sins, while Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English: ‘Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions.’

The idea, then, is not that the whole world would will necessarily become Moslem at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam. That is the plan, in black-and-white, of the Iranian regime.

This is why [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad seeks nuclear weapons. The faster we realize this the better.


69 posted on 09/15/2006 8:27:40 AM PDT by mjp
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"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
---Persian and the Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus

600 years later,,,,,

SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE!

71 posted on 09/15/2006 8:29:38 AM PDT by stockstrader
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Qaradawi is unhappy that the pope dare contradict his position on the use of violence As to what the pope said about Mohammed, he said nothing. He only quoted the emperor, implying of course that Muslims had resorted to such violence since the beginning, a historical truth that Muslims want us to forget.


76 posted on 09/15/2006 8:37:26 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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I cannot tell what exactly the muslims are upset about. Surely it cannot be the historically factual statements about how islam spread or Mohammed's injunctions in the koran to spread islam by violence.


80 posted on 09/15/2006 8:42:23 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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What DOESN'T set these people off!!??

Let me try one - Hey Muzzies!! It's Friday!!!!







(That should take a lot of the heat off the Pope)


81 posted on 09/15/2006 8:42:41 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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If the "Muslim religious scholars" who are now attacking the Roman Catholic Pope's comments actually want to be believed in their profession of a "peacful" Islam, then they can quit standing up to excuse and defend every form of inhuman degradation perpetrated by Isamic terrorists around the Middle East, simply because those terrorists are Muslims.

Absent Islamic terrorism, which is based on Islamic religious intolerance and Islamic intolerance of diverse world cultures, there would not have been an Israeli-Palestinian conflict that has continued now for almost sixty years and Osama and the millions of Osama clones would not have found the support they have in Muslim societies.

While stage-managing their own world-political agenda, for the myth that they are "victims" and that existence of Israel is an example of racism, it is in fact their religious xenophobia and intolerance towards Jews that is the obvious racism.

The only "crime" to Israel's existence is that Jews were determined to have at least one place in the world where they would not live ever again under the Dhimmitude of Muslims or the anti-semitism of Europeans; a goal of national self-determination that they had every right to strive for and achieve; a goal that was rightfully centered on the ancient homeland of the Jews - Israel.

The Israel of 1948 would have been a miniscule shadow of its current dimensions and created no Arab refugees. Instead of culturally and religiously accepting a tolerant peaceful co-existence with that tiny state, the Muslims, the Arabs, with all their vast Muslim and Arab dominated lands in the world, tried to obliterate Israel. By doing so, they created the security requirements for a much larger Israel, in order for Israel to defend its existence.

If Muslims and Arabs think that Israel or the world is going to go back to 1948 and 1948 borders, on new promises of peace that Israel has waited sixty years for, then the Muslims and Arabs are still living in an alternate reality of the myths that they have spun for themselves. And if so, then their continued belief in those myths will make their past failures look small by comparison.

They are in a sucicidal cycle of self-perpetuating myths that fail and with each failure perversely reinforcing the myth. Who knows how big the catastrophe must be to break them of it.


85 posted on 09/15/2006 8:46:12 AM PDT by Wuli
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Muzzies, take yourself an enema and get it all out of your system.


86 posted on 09/15/2006 8:47:01 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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It's starting....

Muslims blow up youth center run by an Orthodox church in Gaza possibly in retaliation to pope's remarks

90 posted on 09/15/2006 8:50:04 AM PDT by Mazi83
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Qaradawi was quoted as telling al-Jazeera television that the pope should "apologize to the Muslim nation for insulting its religion, its prophet and its beliefs or we will kill him." /sarcasm (I think)
92 posted on 09/15/2006 8:52:30 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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"We're not violent! we will slay the infidels who call us violent! we will chop the heads off those who call us bloodthirsty"


110 posted on 09/15/2006 9:39:10 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Wake up to the reality of who it is that hates us and wants to kill us to spread its sick ideology.)
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Implicit in this rage is an obvious threat of violence against Pope Benedict. I'm not sure what it would mean for the Christian world, but it's been a long time since Christianity has had a martyr of Benedict's stature.

If they harm the him, we can expect that our secular leadership would do nothing. But let's pray that if such a thing happens, God will perform a miracle and give the rest of the Western world some stones so we can get to work eradicating the muslim menace once and for all.

112 posted on 09/15/2006 9:44:30 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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Dear Islam: Put a sock in it!


117 posted on 09/15/2006 10:07:03 AM PDT by medscribe
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"What? Pope think Muslims
are barbaric neanderthals?!
Grog mad at Pope!"

119 posted on 09/15/2006 10:13:27 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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"Lighten up, Muhammad."


130 posted on 09/15/2006 10:44:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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It seems they just can't help themselves. They have provided a exclamation point to the pope's statement.


133 posted on 09/15/2006 11:16:43 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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"What is at the pope's heart is a clear and radical refusal of the religious motivation of violence," said spokesman Federico Lombardi.

Finally, five years after 9/11, we have the beginning of a discussion of the major issues that separate Christianity from Islam.

I can't wait until we get to the divinity of Christ and the mere prophethood of the merchant, military commander Mohammed, or the Trinity of God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as opposed to the Oriental despotism of Allah.

138 posted on 09/15/2006 12:44:26 PM PDT by stripes1776
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They want to kill us all. I want to kill all of them first. Questions?


149 posted on 09/15/2006 4:31:29 PM PDT by jslade (The beatings well cease when morale improves!)
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