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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; cornelis; .30Carbine; Whosoever
[ This is totally amazing stuff!!! The categories of thought that arose in and were shaped by visualizable experience truly are no help here. We need a new way "to look at" the world. ]

True.. I'am here to serve d;-)~'.'.'.

There are two dimensions..
This one (length,width, depth and the illusion of time) call it the Maze of Physical Observation.. by the human brain according to time..
-AND-
Another dimension composed of spiritual things.. God, Angels(two kinds) and US.. call it the Matrix of Spiritual Observation.. by the spirit of spiritual beings according to timing not time..

Two dimensions or paradigms.. existing parallethe Matrix of Spiritual Observationl to one another like two sides of a coin, reciprocals.. Mixing them up randomly makes mud... but addressing each in its own ugh!.... realm makes colors of thought.. And ultimately a mental/ideolological painting displaying a "painting/view/vista/homogeny".. Like when a two dimensional portrait/painting/landscape appears to be three dimensional but isn't.. Its two dimensional(the drawing) but shows shadows of something deeper than two dimensions..

If we(humans) are spirits riding a human body then both realms are/can be available to us.. And our "observations" should be of "the coin" not one side or the other.. Observing from the Maze of Physical Observation then is flawed(science) or from the Matrix of Spiritual Observation is flawed(religion) just the same..

I agree we need a new way to look at things..

58 posted on 09/15/2006 8:46:12 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: hosepipe
Interesting post, pipe. May I disagree slightly? Here goes, for what its worth.

There are two dimensions we experience on a comprehensive scale, dimension time and dimension space. We also experience the dimension of life force because we are alive and sensing, and the dimension of spirit because we have a sense of good and evil (well, most people do anyway).

Here's a different way to consider these dimensional aspects. Each dimension has three variable expressions. With dimension space we have linear, planar, and volumetric, with time we have past , present, and future, corresponding roughly in conception to the three variable expressions of dimension space. With dimension life force we have will, emotion, and mind --for want of better terms-- and these also have a similitude to dimensions time and space. I suspect there are three variable expressions to dimension spirit also, but I haven't a clue yet what the variable expressions might be called.

Here's a though regarding the mixing of dimensions time and space. In classical physics there are distances at which the various standard model forces are in effect for the phenomena 'observed'; I would switch this way of describing that, to say that the various forces act in various spatial expressions, as in planar or volumetric, for instance. There may be (and I believe firmly that this is the actual case) 'times' at which the various forces are in effect also, mingled with the various distances (spatial characteristic).

I am working on a paradigm to explain this different perspective using space/time realms or continua as the limits for the various forces. As an example, gravity is a volumetric/past phenomenon, where the temporal aspect is the operant in the force expression, so the entire universe is the realm of gravity action based upon an entanglement of temporal origin related to the start of the disunity to dimension time at the big bang origin of our universe.

Dimensions life force and spirit have been added to the mix of dimensions space and time, broken into constituent expressions, and until some means of mathematically expressing the combinatorial nature of their being mixed into the universe is found, life and spirit will remain metaphysical realms of wonderment, while space and time will continue being explored and codified using a touch of metaphysical perspective, as in quantum field as 'aether' (in a spatio-temporal sense) for standard model force expressions, and entanglement, and action at a distance (each area of exploration being dependent more upon a temporal or spatial expression for fundamental interaction of matter and energy).

Because of this 'different' way of viewing the universe and the standard model for subatomic reality, I have predicted that no graviton particle will be found as mediator of the force of gravity, because gravity is primarily a temporal phenomenon not a spatial phenomenon. Electromagnetic effects are primarily spatial phenomena thus a mediating particle acts as focus of the force exchange because everything in this universe is entangled via temporal containment (everything is existing within a temporal volume in relation to everything else) ... we are in the universe we are in and in which the processes that have resulted in us have occurred, adding dimensional expressions as we have been 'built up' in complexity.

Other 'beings', such as angels, may not have been 'built' in the same fashion from the simplest to the more complex as we have been constructed, for the mind of God can bring things into being by a word, at any complexity level He chooses to assume for them. Parallel universe theory and brane theory and string theory are all hinting at a more inclusive way to define the universe. I think there are recorded examples of events where greater complexity realities have intersected our reality, as in Daniel chptr 5, and the entire of Jesus sojourn on this planet.

Hope this hasn't been too esoteric to have meaning for you.

64 posted on 09/15/2006 9:31:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: hosepipe
Like when a two dimensional portrait/painting/landscape appears to be three dimensional but isn't.. Its two dimensional(the drawing) but shows shadows of something deeper than two dimensions..

Wonderful words, dear Pipe. Thank you so much for including me in the ping to them.

91 posted on 09/16/2006 3:15:35 AM PDT by .30Carbine ("As soon as we obey, we have discernment.")
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