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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
No one has a right to never hear things they don't like, Mohamed - see the second paragraph of the first amendment (below). But the troops aren't forced to do anything. Religious provisions that are made available because if there really is some kind of God or afterlife then this matters to those who may die in the course of their duties.

The second amendment applies to the troops, BeHoldAPaleHorse. Do you have some kind of point somewhere other than "I don't like hearing it"? If military personnel are not provided that fulfill the role of preachers (the definition of Chaplain), Then the military would be required to allow civilian preachers - on ship, on plains, and on the field of battle. The military provides chaplains for the same reason it provides military doctors - to have people in those roles who are vetted and connected to the command structure.

The UCMJ is not the same as civilian law, BeHoldAPaleHorse. But, your antipathy notwithstanding the troops who are religious still have a constitutional right to exercise their religion. including prayer and preaching and even singing (off key, usually).The right to shut people up who do so is not in the Constitution and the chain of command doesn't have it either.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Any other portions of the bill of rights you want to get rid of?

106 posted on 09/15/2006 10:24:08 AM PDT by MrEdd (The easiest way to LIE with statistics is to use the average instead of the Median.)
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To: MrEdd
No one has a right to never hear things they don't like, Mohamed - see the second paragraph of the first amendment (below).

My name isn't Mohamed.

The second amendment applies to the troops, BeHoldAPaleHorse.

You mean they can shoot the chaplain if he annoys them overmuch?

107 posted on 09/15/2006 10:27:07 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: MrEdd
The point: the chaplain does not have a right to an audience for his preaching.

Would you be perfectly OK with a Muslim chaplain, at a mandatory command function, giving prayers to Allah and reciting suras from the Koran about all infidels are going to hell?

108 posted on 09/15/2006 10:28:15 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: MrEdd
The second amendment applies to the troops, BeHoldAPaleHorse.

The right to bear arms? What do you want the troops to the chaplain? Shoot him?

The UCMJ is not the same as civilian law, BeHoldAPaleHorse. But, your antipathy notwithstanding the troops who are religious still have a constitutional right to exercise their religion. including prayer and preaching and even singing (off key, usually).The right to shut people up who do so is not in the Constitution and the chain of command doesn't have it either.

Except, as the article made perfectly clear if only you had read it, Klingenschmidt was not conducting a church service. He was participating in a political protest. And he had been ordered not to wear his uniform while doing so. So you tell me what part of the Constitution gives this particular officer the right to disobey orders?

112 posted on 09/15/2006 10:45:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: MrEdd
I can't help but notice that you haven't addressed the essential issue concerning this case, which is that he wore his uniform while speaking at a political protest against military regulations.

Are you honestly telling us that:

  1. you believe members of our Armed Forces have the right to disregard regulations they don't like; and
  2. you would fully support a Muslim chaplain's right to wear his uniform while addressing a political rally protesting military policy?

Those are the two questions that this clown's supporters keep refusing to answer.

I suspect that such refusal is because they're really looking for special treatment, as is Klingenschmitt.

115 posted on 09/15/2006 11:06:54 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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