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U.S. to Mandate Anti-Rollover Technology
Philly Burbs ^ | 9-14-2006 | KEN THOMAS

Posted on 09/14/2006 6:01:17 AM PDT by Cagey

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To: Cagey

Now people can drive with even less care.


21 posted on 09/14/2006 6:22:50 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Cagey

I've got a Miata. It would suck to be in a roll over accident...but it is hard to think of a scenario that would cause it to roll over in the first place.


22 posted on 09/14/2006 6:24:12 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Cagey

My dogs will do a " roll over " , for a Roveroli.

23 posted on 09/14/2006 6:25:06 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Cagey

Funny picture. A car with the system turned off does not roll over - It slides. Now, an SUV on the other hand...

In the '60's and '70's, you never heard of rollover accidents. Oh yeah, there was the occasional guy who rolled his jeep or pickup, but that was it. Enter the SUV, beginning with the Samurai actually, and suddenly there are rollovers everywhere.

I've seen three rollover accidents in my life. Every one of them was an SUV. And yet in the test picture they show a car SLIDING. It is literally comical.


24 posted on 09/14/2006 6:25:12 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: Cagey

This car just needs a stiffer rear sway bar and a heavier right foot, then it woulnd't be pushing around the curve so badly.


25 posted on 09/14/2006 6:27:46 AM PDT by 308MBR (islam; so easy a caveman could do it)
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To: Mr Rogers

All you have to do with that to roll is is slide your outside front wheel into a ditch at quite moderate speeds.


26 posted on 09/14/2006 6:29:48 AM PDT by 308MBR (islam; so easy a caveman could do it)
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To: PeteB570

>>Don't [buy] a SUV and try to drive it like a sports car.

You may know what you're doing. There are many idiots, who don't.

I love it when idiots in SUVs are tailgating me going into an exit clover.

FWIW, the incremental cost to add stability control, to a vehicle with ABS, is peanuts.


27 posted on 09/14/2006 6:30:19 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Cagey
Better yet would be to require all vehicles to have anti-lock brakes. I avoided accidents on several occasions because the anti-lock brakes on my vehicle allowed me to keep in control during a hard stop.
28 posted on 09/14/2006 6:35:11 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: RobRoy
I have driven Cheve Suburbans and Tahoes exclusively since the early 70's and I have never even come close to rolling one over. OTOH anything can roll over if it is hit in the wrong way.
29 posted on 09/14/2006 6:42:58 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: 308MBR

IN other words, if the laws of physics say you are rolling, then it will roll.

Now, just how will adjusting individual tire speed automatically prevent a roll over if you go off the road and into a ditch (or down a mountainside, etc).

The technology only works while you are ON the pavement - and Miatas do that quite well, thank you.


30 posted on 09/14/2006 6:50:43 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Mr Rogers

Indeed Miatas work quite well on pavement, as does my old MG.

That being said, I drove a Toyota Land "Loser" at a Machine Design Best Ride competition a few years ago that had a stability/traction control system. You could get it a little out of shape, and once it detected wheel slip the brakes and throttle were taken away from the driver's control. You would continue in whatever direction you were going when the slip was detected, which may not work all that well on a curvy road!

A few months previous to this, George Jones half killed himself out driving drunk in one. George wouldn't have lasted as long as he has if he hadn't mastered doing the "recovery flick maneuver" after reaching into the back seat for a fresh drink. However, when he did that in this particular vehicle, it drove him straight into a bridge abutment.

At the risk of sounding like a Luddite, the more I hear of this new stuff, the better a carburetor, magneto, and manual transmission sound. ABS is nice as long as you aren't on gravel, dirt, grass or snow, assuming it doesn't take over with biased braking.


31 posted on 09/14/2006 7:02:48 AM PDT by 308MBR (islam; so easy a caveman could do it)
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To: Ditter

I rolled my brand new Chevy Blazer when I was hit by someone running a red light. I was doing about 50 mph. I did at least three complete circles, eventually landing on the drivers side and skidding for another half mile, with the door window broken glass giving my left arm an extreme case of road rash. The roof smashed to the body of the truck. Both air bags popped, giving me something known as air bag burn. I crawled out of the tiny window hole and sat on the curb, strangely feeling no pain at all. They don't call me the sport ute girl for nothing.


32 posted on 09/14/2006 7:07:00 AM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: Cagey
"These are staggering statistics compared to most safety technologies that are installed on the vehicles today. This technology will save lives," said William Kozyra, president and CEO of Continental Automotive Systems, North America, a leading supplier of stability control.

Oh yeah, no conflict of interest here.

More complex crap to drive up the cost of purchasing and maintaining a car. No safety systems can make up for roads full of barely competent, careless and distracted drivers.

33 posted on 09/14/2006 7:07:13 AM PDT by jrp
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As long as it has an override switch...

I have a good friend in Chicago who purchased a Mercedes with this technology. He claims that this is the first thing you will switch off on an icy street.

I also heard that this device requires all wheel (not four wheel) drive in order to work properly.

34 posted on 09/14/2006 7:10:13 AM PDT by Zakeet (A fine is a tax for doing wrong ... a tax is a fine for doing right)
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To: Petronski

My broken English in that post is all the reader needs to have in order to determine I haven't had any coffee yet.


35 posted on 09/14/2006 7:11:31 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Cagey
Imagine an American passenger car understeering. Give that Lincoln a solid dose of oversteer and it wouldn't,t be plowing down the pylons.
36 posted on 09/14/2006 7:11:38 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: jrp

It certainly takes the fun out of driving a powerful rear wheel drive vehicle.
Life isn't nearly as fulfilling without "power on" oversteer.


37 posted on 09/14/2006 7:12:11 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: sportutegrl
OMG! I am so glad you were in an SUV or you would probably not be here now. That's the reason I drive one. 4 friends of mine were just in a wreck and consider that being in a Escalade saved them from death or injury.
38 posted on 09/14/2006 7:12:39 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Zakeet

I had a Mercedes with it, just 2 wheel drive. It was fun to drive on slippery stuff.. Worked great and put a big exclamation mark on the dash when it kicked in..


39 posted on 09/14/2006 7:16:21 AM PDT by tje
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To: Cagey

all courtesy of Ralph Nader. Since 1970 the real cost of a new auto has doubled. Then a cost cost half a year's salary of a beginning teacher. Now it costs a whole year's salary. So, we drive them longer. I would love to see a cost bnefit analysis of driving old cars in deteriorating condition vs the much maligned policy of planned obsolence which had us driving cars under warranty and full employment at auto companies. I suspect that the industry had it right, and all the government interferance has not really promoted the common good.


40 posted on 09/14/2006 7:27:36 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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