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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Wednesday 09-13-2006
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 09-13-06

Posted on 09/13/2006 9:00:08 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

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The enemy within -- and it's not who you think (David Warren nails Islamofascism's 5th column)

Ottawa Citizen - Canada ^ | September 13, 2006 | David Warren

Posted on 09/13/2006 10:43:18 AM CDT by GMMAC

The enemy within -- and it's not who you think

Ottawa Citizen September 13, 2006

COMMENTARY: DAVID WARREN

Listening to President Bush speak, on Monday's anniversary of 9/11, after a day of distastefully sentimental memorials, my question was not what have we achieved in the last five years, but rather, what have we learned? Bush and Blair -- the captain and vice-captain of Team West in the war against "the terrorists" so far -- are both now in the twilight of their political careers. Both have recently broken with habitual discretion, and made attempts to name the enemy. This has, if anything, added to their unpopularity, for when they mention that the enemy presents himself as Islamic, there are shrill cries not only from radical Muslims, but across the spectrum of the Left in the West.

Mr Bush, much the less eloquent of the two, has now retreated from his use of the term "Islamofascist" -- which as I said in a previous column, is a fairer label than "Islamist" for an enemy that spreads a palampore of traditional Islam, over a stuffing from the Western-bred totalitarian ideologies of the 20th century. As I wrote Aug. 27, from Ahmadinejad to Zawahiri, we hear rhetoric that uses an Islamic vocabulary and crude grammar, but animated with a syntax that owes more to Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, than to the Prophet and his traditional interpreters. The term is thus meant to suggest a skewed Islam, an Islam "adapted to our age" by psychopathic men, whose own Islamic learning is purposefully politicized, and aggressively de-spiritualized. Since the alternative would be to say that Ahmadinejad, Zawahiri, et al. do speak legitimately for Islam, I don't see why anyone should object to the term "Islamofascist".

Mr Blair gave an interview worth reading to the Israeli daily, Haaretz, published Monday. The editors present characterized it as "sombre". The British prime minister was still going through the motions of advocating the "peace process", and the "two-state solution" for Israel and Palestine, without (according to me) any real conviction that it could work. It is just something Western politicians do to please the figurative "Arab street", and it does not please anyone, any more. With much more conviction, he said leaders throughout the West have grasped that we are in a truly "global struggle", for which the people of the West are not prepared. The politicians have failed to explain to us how much is at stake, and how much will be lost if we are not resolute in defence of Western values.

For all its uncharacteristic awkwardness, Mr Blair's answer to a question about British home-grown terrorists donged the bell:

"It's not necessarily what have we done wrong, because part of the problem of what you have in Western opinion is that Western opinion always wants to believe that it's our fault and these people want to have a sort of, you know, grievance culture that they visit upon us and say it's our fault. And so we have a young British-born man of Pakistani origin sitting in front of a television screen saying I will go and kill innocent people because of the oppression of Muslims, when he has been brought up in a country that has given him complete religious freedom and full democratic rights and actually a very good job and standard of living. Now, that warped mind has grown out of a global movement based on a perversion of Islam which we have to confront, and we have to confront it globally."

I frankly admire both Bush and Blair, as courageous politicians, with open minds, doing their best within the limits of what is politically possible in their respective spheres. They are both towering figures, in comparison to the little men who oppose them. We won't know what trouble is, until the little men replace them.

I continue optimistic about what can be done, should we summon the will to do it. I have written repeatedly that a robust and unified Western response to "Islamofascism" could fling it quickly onto the trash-heap of history, to join Nasserism and Baathism and other earlier manifestations of Arab nationalism and socialism. Smack it hard, without apology.

My pessimism is founded in the fear that this robust and unified response cannot be mobilized. We have a huge fifth column in the West, and it is not the Muslim immigrants. They become radicalized only because our "victim culture" encourages them to nurture their grievances. Yet most, despite temptation, remain good, decent people, doing their share of the West's work.

Our real enemy is within us, in the immense constituency of the half-educated narcissists pouring from our universities each year -- that glib, smug, liberal, and defeatist "victim culture" itself, that inhabits the academy, our media, our legal establishment, the bureaucratic class. The opinion leaders of our society, who live almost entirely off the avails of taxation, make their livelihoods biting the hands that feed them, and undermining the moral order on which our solidarity depends.


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To: MNJohnnie
It looked that way to me as well MNJ. Seems like we need to remind them about the mini-series as often as possible.
121 posted on 09/13/2006 9:30:57 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

No. Was that Rosie O' Dyke she has open her big fat mouth again.


122 posted on 09/13/2006 9:31:26 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: angcat
Th woman was a ex Air Force Captain.
123 posted on 09/13/2006 9:32:03 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Roccus

DUmocrats are terrorists without IEDs.


124 posted on 09/13/2006 9:32:04 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: Peach
Baynor ( and Republicans and the R.N.C ) had better not apologize, or they will lose even more of the base and support, it's only when the President, and the Republicans, and the R.N.C fights back do they again support.
125 posted on 09/13/2006 9:32:32 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: acsrp38

I love the expression "You bet your bippy!" It still cracks me up after 40 years. (First time I heard it I was an adolescent, in case anyone wonders.)


126 posted on 09/13/2006 9:32:33 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for VICTORY that will ensure it.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

What did she say?


127 posted on 09/13/2006 9:32:57 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: ChicagoConservative27
I saw that...BOR does a decent job of subtly making him look like a poppinjay ;-)
128 posted on 09/13/2006 9:33:24 AM PDT by aligncare (In warfare, the only moral stance is to win)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I'm surprised the Dems didn't contact the networks and demand that the President's speech be pulled!


129 posted on 09/13/2006 9:33:26 AM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror. (Stolen from FReeper Stallone))
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To: Clint N. Suhks
So sad we know what a bippy is

We DO? I never found out.

130 posted on 09/13/2006 9:33:44 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for VICTORY that will ensure it.)
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To: Roccus
Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror!!

Certainly a major front. They're traitors and do a lot of damage to the war effort. I'll bet there'll be some great bumper stickers for the '08 election. I remember the '04 one that read something like "10 out of 10 terrorists support Kerry".

131 posted on 09/13/2006 9:33:57 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: ct_libertarian
great post here, we not only have to fight terror nut cases in a zillion third world shi...holes but our own demorat terror types in our own back yard. Kinda crazy!!
132 posted on 09/13/2006 9:34:12 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Roccus

Sounds easy enough!

I have two dogs (welsh corgis) that shed...so my vac gets a daily workout!


133 posted on 09/13/2006 9:34:23 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-prayers for the kidnapped Israeli Soldiers)
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To: MNJohnnie
From Newsbusters....

Civil Rights Activist Says Bush Assassination Film May Be On Target

Posted by Noel Sheppard on September 13, 2006 - 10:16.

This one has to go in the category of “If you live long enough...”

Civil rights activist Dick Gregory was interviewed last week on XM radio (hat tip to Hot Air), and according to Redding News Review, he had some rather extraordinary things to say about a British film dealing with the assassination of President George W. Bush (video clip preview of the film now available here):

WASHINGTON, Sept. 08, 2006, 11:20 p.m. - Controversial comedian and activist Dick Gregory today said he would not be surprised if a UK film's fictional assassination of President Bush comes true and he does not "finish his term out."

The article despicably continued:

Gregory, a harsh critic of the United States and one-time presidential candidate, told a talk radio show host the documentary-style film "Death of a President" may be on target.

"And when this happens this here documentary is going to look like they was prophesying," Gregory told XM 169 The Power Host Mark Thompson.

Gregory also told Thompson he is already on record saying Bush will "get busted" and have to leave office early.

"He is not going to finish his term out," he told Thompson, who was broadcasting live from the Congressional Black Caucus' 36th Annual Legislative Conference being held in the District.

How "civil" of you, Mr. Gregory.

134 posted on 09/13/2006 9:34:34 AM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Forth Century)
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To: varmintxer

Maybe he'll put it on the "free side" (hint hint cough hint).


135 posted on 09/13/2006 9:34:45 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Got here late....did I miss anything?


136 posted on 09/13/2006 9:35:09 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (I can't really accept a welcome home until the last MIA does.)
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To: angcat

According to Katherine Newell-Bierman, former Air Force captain and present counsel for Human Rights Watch, "When an interrogator sets out to use techniques like this to talk, you're not talking a few minutes of sounds or not talking a nippy 68 degrees. They're going to use them to the extent the person is being caused pain. We've seen this in torture chambers around the world. These kinds of techniques are not uncommon." The Factor still wasn't buying it: "So this is a torture chamber according to you and Human Rights Watch. This is torture. Now that to me is just nuts. Torture is taking my fingers off, disfiguring me, taking my eye out -- not keeping me in a cold room and uncomfortable with blaring rock music. All you want to protect your family and my family is name, rank, and jihad number. That's all you want. The government official says, look, we broke the guy. The guy gave us very useful information and protected Americans. You say that's bull, just flat out .You don't want any other techniques. I talked to head interrogator Bob Rum in Afghanistan. These are the hands-on guys that do it every day. I'm telling you that coerced interrogation works, you ask any police department in the United States, it works on most, not all, but most. You got nothing and the Red Hot Chili Peppers isn't torture. Hate to break it to you."


137 posted on 09/13/2006 9:35:13 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"sock it to" ME?
138 posted on 09/13/2006 9:35:16 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for VICTORY that will ensure it.)
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To: angcat

1. Bippy

Butt, Ass, Booty, a Mid-Western term.

Yeah, sure, you bet yer bippy!





2. Bippy

An insulting term for a dim-witted individual.

While driving: "Hey, watch it there Bippy!"




139 posted on 09/13/2006 9:35:19 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't love Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: aligncare
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140 posted on 09/13/2006 9:35:23 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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