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U.S. May Lose War on Terror, Historian Says
The New York Sun ^ | 09/13/2006 | BY DANIEL FREEDMAN

Posted on 09/13/2006 8:28:25 AM PDT by oxcart

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To: expatpat
If they do us further major damage, THEN you will see our fury unleashed, Just ask the Japanese and the Germans.
Uncle Sam is mild, as peaceful as a child,
But don't you get him riled, or you will rue it.
So now, they want to fight. Well, they've bit off quite a bite,
And Uncle Sam is going to make them chew it.
Carson Robison (in reference to the Pearl Harbor attack), 1942
41 posted on 09/13/2006 9:06:40 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: oxcart
"the multilateralism greedy short-sighted allies that hamstrings America's ability to fight "

"Oil for food" was not an exception but the exemplar of how our allies' help us 'fight'. Our few true allies are the exception.

42 posted on 09/13/2006 9:07:36 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Lucky9teen

Are you aware of your MTV fleeting-mind/time-span deficiency?


43 posted on 09/13/2006 9:07:44 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: oxcart
America's inability to clearly define the war on terror and exactly who its enemy is.

We knew how to clearly define the war and the enemy in WWII.


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44 posted on 09/13/2006 9:08:04 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: expatpat

You're off by a little:

295 million Americans divided into 3,000 dead is 0.001 percent. If you assume each person had 5 close family members (siblings, parents, children, spouse, aunts, uncles,and so forth) the percentage affected rises to 0.0051 percent, which is about 50 times the 0.0001 percent you mentioned.

But I agree that if we truly are to unite behind a struggle as a society, we have to have everyone affected by it, similar to WWII.


45 posted on 09/13/2006 9:10:12 AM PDT by Air Force Brat
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To: Zon

No, but I am aware that I spoke too soon. See post #21


46 posted on 09/13/2006 9:10:17 AM PDT by Lucky9teen ("War is about killing & destroying their property, not about covering your asses in a conf. room")
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To: Thombo2
I'm not very positive either.Let's keep in mind that the terrorists/muslims/anarchist's have the dems and msm in their corner.

But many Patriots have gun cabinets in THEIR corner...

If the islamists dare start their jihad on these shores..all PC bets, and gloves - are OFF!

47 posted on 09/13/2006 9:10:27 AM PDT by Mad Dash
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To: cripplecreek

We have two options. Fight to win or lose.

It's sad that today fighting to win is either illegal, against the Geneva Convention, against EU's standards, against U.S. law, against, against, against, against.

The only thing that might turn this mentality around is another massive hit on U.S. soil when thousands more die.

Even then the wrath might be directed at whoever is in power at the time of the hit instead of directed at the enemy. I see more investigations, commissions and blue ribbon panels ahead.


48 posted on 09/13/2006 9:12:23 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: oxcart
British-born professor of Near Eastern studies at Princeton

Oh, fry me a liver. I learned all I needed to know from the first line. A Brit git, with a worthless degree at Princeton!

49 posted on 09/13/2006 9:13:48 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (USAF Air Rescue "That others may live.")
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Unless, of course, there happens to be a Democrat in the Whitehouse.

But, but, but...haven't they said that we should be above this? /sarc off


50 posted on 09/13/2006 9:14:16 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: bjc
trying to reform Middle East

Rome vs. Carthage was also a clash of civilizations.

It took a Hannibal to wake up the Romans.


BUMP

51 posted on 09/13/2006 9:15:15 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: oxcart

Lefty's wet dream.


52 posted on 09/13/2006 9:21:24 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: Mad Dash
But many Patriots have gun cabinets in THEIR corner...

True...but when the islamofascists start electing moslems to school boards, establishing "prayer rooms", and mandatory "sensitivity education" about Islam, who are you going to shoot? When they pressure craven politicians to pass laws making offensive remarks about Allah a hate crime, who will you assassinate? What good did guns do when the NYT went supine and spread her legs rather than publish cartoons about mohammed?

If we lose the real battle(NOT the "wot"), we will go down, not with a bang but a whimper.

53 posted on 09/13/2006 9:23:14 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NeilGus

The real problem is that we wouldn't win WWII today.

Can you just imagine the congressional investigations and the outrage, the commissions and charges then using today's political climate? I'm convinced that the only thing that MIGHT wake us up is another massive hit on U.S. soil and even then there will be those who will blame the fact that we're fighting back as the reason for it.

And what's more sad is that populations in the majority of western nations actually blame us for the state of the world now. We just can't win unless populations are shocked into reality of what's happening.


54 posted on 09/13/2006 9:23:22 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: expatpat

If they do us further major damage, THEN you will see our fury unleashed, Just ask the Japanese and the Germans.

I think a hit has to happen in order to shock us into reality. I can't believe the denial that there is a serious problem that has to be faced.


55 posted on 09/13/2006 9:25:54 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Lucky9teen

I care. Mr. Lewis makes sense if you bother to read the article.


56 posted on 09/13/2006 9:26:07 AM PDT by wireman
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To: oxcart
The victor of the war on terror is far from clear, the historian Bernard Lewis told

Another thing: history is about the past and is very weak on seeing the future.

57 posted on 09/13/2006 9:26:35 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

"The question is when they will give up."

They won't ever give up. They must be eliminated. There are no other options that aren't temporary. And, we won't eliminate them until our pain is so severe that we have to fight back seriously or die.


58 posted on 09/13/2006 9:27:55 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: hinckley buzzard
True...but when the islamofascists start electing moslems to school boards, establishing "prayer rooms", and mandatory "sensitivity education" about Islam, who are you going to shoot?

There are plenty of us who will know who to shoot and when. When the time comes, we'll know it.

I heard something on FoxNews this am about some fellow running for the senate and if elected, would be the first muslim..I was on my way out the door, so I did not catch who or where, but I thought..here we go.

I WILL NOT live under a fascists, islamic government. Neither will thousands of others..there will be a fight BIG TIME. They can pass as many mooselime laws as they want..we'll just pass the ammo.

59 posted on 09/13/2006 9:30:05 AM PDT by Mad Dash
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To: RightWhale
Another thing: history is about the past and is very weak on seeing the future.

Sure RW, history is not a massive study to try to exptrapolate with a computer model on Big Blue. It is, as in our individual lives, the experience that we gain, to understand that principles and dynamics of "sowing and reaping" really do exist, so we may gain the wisdom of handling ourselves in our present and future.

60 posted on 09/13/2006 9:35:52 AM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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