Posted on 09/12/2006 12:27:09 PM PDT by standingfirm
In 2005, the mainstream media seemed shocked when a number of news sources, including WorldNetDaily.com released a report about an "American Hiroshima" plot against the United States by Al-Qaeda The plot calls for Al-Qaeda to detonate nuclear weapons on American soil, having arrived over the Mexican border with the assistance of MS-13 gang members. The report claims Al-Qaeda has already obtained a large number of nuclear weapons currently being maintained by Pakistani and Russian scientists.
Why the shock? In November 2002, this author provided similar and nearly identical information to the American public and intelligence agencies compiled from private and open-sources. The result was a research project of an enormous size, summarily published on this site with the entire version published on WorldThreats.com. Thus, we were quite surprised when this report rocked and shocked the mainstream media over two years after we had already published the same information.
Our original report, entitled "Exposing the Next Wave of Spectacular Terrorism: Terrorist Possession of Weapons of Mass Destruction" seems antiquated as it had been tailored to the address the concerns at the onset of Operation Iraqi Freedom, including the possibility of retaliatory terrorist attacks. Although there were several subsequent updates, we have re-compiled our information, now over two years old, to illustrate we sounded this alarm bell in 2002.
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I agree with this. On the other hand the majority of the Muslim world think the Jews in collaboration with Bush were responsible for 9/11. Osamas Hiroshima reference has meaning though. I have always thougt it is a means to pave the way and justify a nuclear first strike if he ever decides conditions are ripe and he can get away with it.
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Let's hope you are right....but once Iran produces or buys a nuke all bets are off. I think Al-Qaida and Iran are busy forming an alliance. They have been housing bin Laden's son and have recently sent him to go to Lebanon by way of Syria.
You weren't supposed to notice that part.
And if they have the correct components to perform "maintenance", then are the weapons in Pakistan or Russia and not in the U.S.?
At SOME point, someone would f*** up.
I've talked to a Special Forces vet who was assigned to deliver SADMs during the Cold War--he labels this scenario "crap," particularly when you're talking about tens of weapons--because there are so many things that can go wrong.
Two of his questions: "What happens if a terrorist smuggling a SADM gets into a car wreck and is seriously injured? What if a terrorist's truck--with the SADM inside--gets stolen while he's taking a leak?"
The smaller a nuclear device is, the most maintenance intensive it becomes. These nuclear devices (which I will not call suitcase/briefcase bombs because that is not what they are) have not been maintained in over 10 years. It is highly likely that they, if they even exist, no longer function.
Have you read Ryan Mauro's website? You just described it.
Exactly. Not to labor the point but if such a nuke were used, the group that did it would NOT claim responsibility. They would just sit back and watch the chaos and we would have no one to retaliate against. Then Osama could claim that we deserved it because of Hiroshima while not claiming or disclaiming any responsibility . Or it could be blamed on the Jews. Anyway you look at it we are screwed if they get nukes.
No, I haven't read it but I could have figured as much.
Like this?
The W54 warhead weighed 51-pounds and had an explosive yield of 0.18 kilotons. The projectile in the picture was 30 inches long, 11 inches in diameter, and weighed 76 pounds. The same warhead was used in so called "backpack" nukes and in the Falcon Air to Air missile.
If Binny had nukes he would of used them. Just more internet rumor and fearmongering. It gives the drama queens in the Junk Media something to have today's case of the vapors over.
I don't think it would cost him anything in the Muslim world at all. If it tipped one way or the other, he would probably gain a little support.
Only among the really stupid ones. The rest would be rioting to demonstrate their non-support for bin Laden to keep their city from evaporating.
Precisely. MAD doesn't work unless you can assign responsibility. That's why preemptive war is imperative and moral in this situation.
True "suitcase" nukes has indeed, very small amounts of fissile material in them and are reliant on injected 'hot' neutron sources such as tritium which 1. decay fast, 2. must be replaced, and 3. tend to contaminate other components - hence, regular maintenance is needed for them.
However.
This is only the case of the nukes made in the last 30 years.
The ones most worrisome are those left over from clandestine Soviet infiltration of key locations in the continental US during the 1950s and early 60's. They did this to ensure certain cities were hit even if their bombers were shot down.
Those were bulky, low-yield, and were very robust (lots of fissile material). These are the dangerous ones. One of these kinetic trigger types would make 10 high-yield nukes due to their poor design. But leave them sitting a few decades and you know what? You still get a mushroom cloud - but it's filled with tons of really dirty crap that'll poison the land for centuries.
And for those saying that OBL wouldn't use nukes, well, he had people slit women's throats and kill innocents - so how much can you actually say is beyond him? They will use nukes when they can get one, and it will be as soon as possible.
If OBL had nukes he would use them. Muslims would be dancing in the streets, again. He would not lose support, but gain many more adherents.
The Muslim world will go with the winner.
But leave them sitting a few decades and you know what? You still get a mushroom cloud - but it's filled with tons of really dirty crap that'll poison the land for centuries.
Actually, leave them sitting for 40-50 years, and they'll dud--because of contaminants building up from decay that either (a) emit a lot of gammas (which become heat, which in turn evaporates the volatile components out of the explosives), or (b) absorb a lot of neutrons (thus poisoning the chain reaction).
Or nearest Dearbornistan mosque?
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